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Apple CarPlay PRECONDITIONING AND ROUTE PLANNING

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Hak8711
Porsche can now do this. Will polestar implant it as well
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Hoping we’ll see something in iOS 17 and maybe a small mention on a slide at WWDC in 2 weeks.
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Aggie57
newsroom.porsche.com

Porsche introduces support for Apple® Maps EV routing to provide an enhanced experience for iPhone® users

Now features charging station locations, estimated charging times, and energy usage information
newsroom.porsche.com newsroom.porsche.com
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kyledag500
Porsche’s statement doesn’t mention preconditioning, I’m not sure if any car can do that via CarPlay yet?
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Hak8711
kyledag500 said:
Porsche’s statement doesn’t mention preconditioning, I’m not sure if any car can do that via CarPlay yet?
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Ford has it
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Aggie57 said:
newsroom.porsche.com

Porsche introduces support for Apple® Maps EV routing to provide an enhanced experience for iPhone® users

Now features charging station locations, estimated charging times, and energy usage information
newsroom.porsche.com newsroom.porsche.com
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US only it seems for now.
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arijaycomet
@Hak8711 actually the Ford MME does not precondition the battery before DC fast charging. Whether you use native maps or Apple CarPlay; either way, it doesn’t do any sort of preconditioning. I cannot say for sure if that has changed in a more recent update; it has been ~5 months since I traded my Ford MME GT in for the Polestar 2. And I don’t know if the same was case for F150 Lightning truck.

As noted by @kyledag500 what the issue here is not that the routing occurs. Yes the Ford MME had CarPlay routing; but more so, does it preheat battery for optimal DC fast charging? If you use Google Maps on our Polestar/Volvo cars, the battery is optimized just before arrival to the charger. Since CarPlay is pulling SOC from the car, but likely not “sharing” back to the car the details of the destination, it stands to reason the car doesn’t know when you’re stopping, or where you are stopping. It may not be aware to precondition.

I’ve yet to see any articles that clearly state that Porsche‘s CarPlay integration (via this update) handles that.
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Hak8711
But with the porche and the ford you can always manually precondition it as with polestar you can’t
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stevelup
Eyeballs said:
Hoping we’ll see something in iOS 17 and maybe a small mention on a slide at WWDC in 2 weeks.
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The functionality has been there since iOS 15. This is for vehicle manufacturers to implement, it's not something we're waiting on Apple for.
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arijaycomet
Hak8711 said:
But with the porche and the ford you can always manually precondition it as with polestar you can’t
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I’ve owned 98 vehicles, about a third of those are EVS. Off the top of my head the only car I recall having a preconditioning button was the Lucid Air. I do not remember there being a “pre DC fast charge precondition button” on the Taycan; it works by means of self occurrence when it sees the destination set is a charger in the native navigation. So even for the Porsche to perform this task, it requires native nav running.

Ford, on the other hand, has ZERO preconditioning (again that I’m aware of; subject to change if there have been software updates in the last 6 months since i sold mine). Even with nav running, DC fast chargers in nav or not, the battery made no effort to improve fast charging sessions. There was no way around this.

On the flip side—- Polestar (and Volvo) most definitely -do- precondition the battery. If you are using Google Maps built into the car, and your destination is a DC fast charger, it will precondition the battery prior to arrival. You can easily see this by means of the Range app, which will show real time usage of energy; it peaks much higher than normal as you near the charger. If you cancel the nav, you can see it go back down. There are YouTube videos that corroborate this experience too.
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arijaycomet said:
Ford, on the other hand, has ZERO preconditioning (again that I’m aware of; subject to change if there have been software updates in the last 6 months since i sold mine). Even with nav running, DC fast chargers in nav or not, the battery made no effort to improve fast charging sessions. There was no way around this.
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I just had a Mach E rental and was digging through menus trying to find any manual preconditioning and couldn’t find one, so guessing that is still the case. I will say though that despite that it hit fast recharge rates very quickly, and I was genuinely pretty impressed with it as a daily driver.
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stevelup said:
The functionality has been there since iOS 15. This is for vehicle manufacturers to implement, it's not something we're waiting on Apple for.
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Hmmm. Think of ECG support. When a new country was added it required a watchOS update. I wouldn’t be surprised if adding a new vehicle brand also required an iOS update to enable.
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Eyeballs said:
Hmmm. Think of ECG support. When a new country was added it required a watchOS update. I wouldn’t be surprised if adding a new vehicle brand also required an iOS update to enable.
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As stated no iOS update is need for EV routing, support was added a long time ago. Apple does not need to do anything new here on the phone. It just needs to get on Volvos/P*s radar. The API is well documented in the software that Apple supplies to licensed OEMs.

Preconditioning may or may not be in their API, that is more of an unknown to me.
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Knucklehead said:
As stated no iOS update is need for EV routing, support was added a long time ago. Apple does not need to do anything new here on the phone. It just needs to get on Volvos/P*s radar. The API is well documented in the software that Apple supplies to licensed OEMs.

Preconditioning may or may not be in their API, that is more of an unknown to me.
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Ok well now I’m not at all confident that it’s going to happen. Not that I’m particularly fussed, Google Maps is fine for long trips.
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