BST 230 announced

Polarbear said:

This is why nobody bought the LFA.
It was more expensive and slower then everything else, but then people understod that there are other things actually more important on a car that the LFA had instead!
But too late, they didnt build them anymore!
Its all about how it FEELS to drive!
There are no specsheets for that!

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I find it hard that you are comparing LFA with PS2s. Commercially it a flop due to the price tag but it’s popularity continue to grow and value has double for some.

It was never design to sale.People who buy this ain’t daily driving it.

Aenimea said:

Well, if it is the same story as the BST270, you might be in for a surprise about delays

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That actually works for me.

ishiyakimo said:

I find it hard that you are comparing LFA with PS2s. Commercially it a flop due to the price tag but it’s popularity continue to grow and value has double for some.

It was never design to sale.People who buy this ain’t daily driving it.

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If anything, I would compare the LFA to the P1. Both were too expensive and the manufacturers struggled to sell the very limited inventory. Both received stellar reviews by the automotive press and neither of them were numbers cars. The BST has received lukewarm reviews. I think of it as a BMW i4 m50 competitor.

JerseyPS said:

If anything, I would compare the LFA to the P1. Both were too expensive and the manufacturers struggled to sell the very limited inventory. Both received stellar reviews by the automotive press and neither of them were numbers cars. The BST has received lukewarm reviews. I think of it as a BMW i4 m50 competitor.

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P1 is a great car and should age wonderfully. I would buy it if I had the extra cash but IMHO not in the same prestige league as LFA. LC500 is more comparable (and that also a gorgeous car). Also, LFA is individually numbered plagued (at the back seat) if that's what you mean.

Polestar 2 Performance and BST on-track times are identical. The problem for both cars is the power-to-weight ratio as it already has good chassis. i4 M50 performs worse than both by a margin. Check here if interested to read more.

ishiyakimo said:

P1 is a great car and should age wonderfully. I would buy it if I had the extra cash but IMHO not in the same prestige league as LFA. LC500 is more comparable (and that also a gorgeous car). Also, LFA is individually numbered plagued (at the back seat) if that's what you mean.

Polestar 2 Performance and BST on-track times are identical. The problem for both cars is the power-to-weight ratio as it already has good chassis. i4 M50 performs worse than both by a margin. Check here if interested to read more.

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Personally, I don't think any of the current electric cars are "track cars". Just because someone can get a single or three good laps of a car does not make it a track car. I wouldn't want to spend 2 hours on a track with any of them. For now, I will stick with my ICE car for track days.

So if they are not track cars, then they are performance street cars, IMO. The BMW is faster to 60 than the Polestar. Not the definitive measurement of a performance car, but still a performance measure. They are about the same price. So I put them in the same category. Which is the better all rounder? I don't know. Hopefully I will drive the BMW tomorrow.

You are right. The BST suffers from the fact that there is so little measurable difference between it and the PP car. For an additional $8k ish over the equivalent loaded P2, you get suede seats, graphics, and a fancier suspension. Is it worth it? I will let you know when it arrives.

JerseyPS said:

Personally, I don't think any of the current electric cars are "track cars". Just because someone can get a single or three good laps of a car does not make it a track car. I wouldn't want to spend 2 hours on a track with any of them. For now, I will stick with my ICE car for track days.

So if they are not track cars, then they are performance street cars, IMO. The BMW is faster to 60 than the Polestar. Not the definitive measurement of a performance car, but still a performance measure. They are about the same price. So I put them in the same category. Which is the better all rounder? I don't know. Hopefully I will drive the BMW tomorrow.

You are right. The BST suffers from the fact that there is so little measurable difference between it and the PP car. For an additional $8k ish over the equivalent loaded P2, you get suede seats, graphics, and a fancier suspension. Is it worth it? I will let you know when it arrives.

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Polestar 2 Performance can take a good beating on say a 15 min session (my experience is solely at TMP here in Ontario, Canada) and it can take the ring just fine as Misha on YT famously demonstrates. But I agree with you, EV isn't the regular "track car" as it inherently has limitations different from an ICE and that is the battery so I say it's fair to judge it in its own category.

With that said, Tesla Model 3 with chassis mods is the best trackable EV. Its lap times can compete with Porsche 911 GT3 on a corner-heavy track. I think the time attack format is perfect for EVs. Japan also have their own EV race events, though in its infant stage but it's nice to see it happen.

If you have a BST on order congrats! Enjoy it and do share

So I drive the i4 m50 today. Oof. Nice car. It will make my decision between the 230 and the i4a tough one. The suspension feels really good. The interior is very nice. It feels like a more complete car. But the 230 is more special. Tough one this.

lawe said:

Oh! That steering wheel

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Yes! But dont forget gloves!

JerseyPS said:

Personally, I don't think any of the current electric cars are "track cars". Just because someone can get a single or three good laps of a car does not make it a track car. I wouldn't want to spend 2 hours on a track with any of them. For now, I will stick with my ICE car for track days.

So if they are not track cars, then they are performance street cars, IMO. The BMW is faster to 60 than the Polestar. Not the definitive measurement of a performance car, but still a performance measure. They are about the same price. So I put them in the same category. Which is the better all rounder? I don't know. Hopefully I will drive the BMW tomorrow.

You are right. The BST suffers from the fact that there is so little measurable difference between it and the PP car. For an additional $8k ish over the equivalent loaded P2, you get suede seats, graphics, and a fancier suspension. Is it worth it? I will let you know when it arrives.

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I ordered one. I have never driven a P2. But I own the baby Volvo EV. My hope is the suspension is not just fancier but offers an aggressive spring rate while also soaking up bump, in the way that only really well developed and damped suspensions do. Something you see with the GT division of Porsche as an example. Those cars ride smoother than their base Carrera siblings, despite being far more aggressive obviously. I'm hoping the BST has an ounce of that magic. If it does deliver on that it's certainly worth the price.

JerseyPS said:

So I drive the i4 m50 today. Oof. Nice car. It will make my decision between the 230 and the i4a tough one. The suspension feels really good. The interior is very nice. It feels like a more complete car. But the 230 is more special. Tough one this.

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The i4 M50 is a nice car. You do feel the entire heft in curves during spirited driving.

DS9 said:

The i4 M50 is a nice car. You do feel the entire heft in curves during spirited driving.

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Yes, it feels more Panzer than M3.

It looks like the BST 230 is still available in black (space) here in Canada and the U.S. I assume once slots are full it will indicate ‘Reserved’ like the green (Nebula) one. Or are they just collecting names and creating a wait list like last time? If not, doesn’t seem to be overly popular this time around.

well they can only get away with "limited editions" that aren't really limited for so long. Not as many people going to be fooled as last time. Saw on YouTube someone said BST stood for Bold Sales Tactics, Big Sticker Technology

I have a Space BST 230 on order now. I’m expecting delivery in July.

DARVIN said:

I have a Space BST 230 on order now. I’m expecting delivery in July.

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What do you currently drive?

JerseyPS said:

What do you currently drive?

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2022 P2

DARVIN said:

2022 P2

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I am just curious. Like you, I have a 22. What do you plan to do with it when your 230 comes in? They gave me a July delivery date as well. My 22 is a lease.

JerseyPS said:

I am just curious. Like you, I have a 22. What do you plan to do with it when your 230 comes in? They gave me a July delivery date as well. My 22 is a lease.

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You're going to get hosed on that lease, if you decide to get out of it...

JerseyPS said:

I am just curious. Like you, I have a 22. What do you plan to do with it when your 230 comes in? They gave me a July delivery date as well. My 22 is a lease.

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I’m trading it in to use the money I have in my P2 to bring down the price. If I do get the BST 230 it would be the most I’ve spent on a vehicle.