Have to hand it to Ford - their extended range production model did nearly 300 mi real world including highway in one go, with apparently a decent amount of charge left at the end. Who knows if the guy was driving 45 mph the whole way or something, but still impressive!
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Have to hand it to Ford - their extended range production model did nearly 300 mi real world including highway in one go, with apparently a decent amount of charge left at the end. Who knows if the guy was driving 45 mph the whole way or something, but still impressive!
can’t overstate that last point. The MachE will assuredly have issues at launch. Polestar will be ~6 months into fixing their issues. I guess TBD how much closer to perfect the MachE is at launch than Polestar was.
feel like the test drive should make it clear. The polestar is a bit smaller and faster and more a sedan/hatch. The MachE is a crossover (though less ground clearance than the polestar and skinnier tires...) with more practical space to it.
personally, based on pics, I prefer the polestar styling in and out and I imagine Android Automotive will beat the MachE infotainment. Also I like the navigation view driver display on the polestar which doesn’t seem to have an analogue on the Ford.
But, having a family I am kind of jealous of the cargo space of the MachE (although apparently no towing package available???).
certainly wouldnt fault anyone going for the MachE over the Polestar. It seems like a solid offering.
224 with 88 kWh usable is 39 kWh/100 mi and not that far off from what I'm seeing of ~200 mi with the (presumably) 72 kWh usable in the Polestar (36 kWh/100 mi) under similar-ish conditions.
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E range test: At 70 mph, true to EPA highway results
The Ford Mustang Mach-E isn't a 300-mile EV for highway road trips; but it delivers what the EPA ratings suggest and possibly better.www.greencarreports.com
219 miles/350 km @ 70 mph 50F/10C ambient on wet roads.
And seems about right to see ~10% efficiency difference given the similar Cd, but larger size of the MachE compared to Polestar - although haven't run through all the full numbers in complete detail
it really seems launching new EVs is almost uniquely hard.
MachE deliveries delayed, even with cars on lots, without clear explanation...
insideevs.com
MachE deliveries delayed, even with cars on lots, without clear explanation...
UPDATE: Ford Mustang Mach-E Deliveries Reportedly Delayed Up To A Month
We're reaching out to Ford for more details. However, at this point, the automaker has sent an email to Mach-E buyers alerting them of the delay.
insideevs.com
well someone let Andy Slye borrow their Polestar 2 for a video recently and he’s not that far from you if I understand correctly...
unless....?
am doing a cold weather road trip right now. I think the range/efficiency numbers are right in line between the two. I’m seeing 200mi if temps are 50F+ and maybe 180mi or so closer to 30-40F on the highway.Back on subject..
the Mach-E’s driving range is consistent and predictable, and everything in the test car Ford supplied us simply worked.
2021 Mustang Mach-E: How fast does the Ford EV charge up on road trips?
With up to 300 miles of range, the Ford Mustang Mach-E is claimed to gain most of a charge back in less than an hour. We did a first test of our own.
but seems like charging curve is definitely better. I’m seeing coldgating with the Polestar like others have described with barely getting 65kW at 20% when cold. When warm that’s closer to the fastned charging curve of 125-150kW. While I haven’t been overly limited here, that’s definitely an area for improvement for Polestar.
Jonny Smith drove a MachE tester in the famously lovely British weather:
In the verdict section he seems to imply that as a package he wouldn't have it go above a certain threshold, because then it competes with Polestar 2, TM3LR, TMY, and in the full spec version the IPace. He did like the interior space/practicality compared to the Polestar, but didn't directly comment on the driving/handling/etc comparison.
Either way, I can definitely see cross-shopping them, although the MachE's looks aren't for me.
In the verdict section he seems to imply that as a package he wouldn't have it go above a certain threshold, because then it competes with Polestar 2, TM3LR, TMY, and in the full spec version the IPace. He did like the interior space/practicality compared to the Polestar, but didn't directly comment on the driving/handling/etc comparison.
Either way, I can definitely see cross-shopping them, although the MachE's looks aren't for me.
The C&D review seems fair. I am a bit annoyed by the Ars review - really they're comparing the handling characteristics of a family crossover with a (pseudo) sports sedan? I guess Ford is kind of asking for it with the Mustang branding, and the model 3 comparison will lead to clicks and ad revenue, but really, no one is going to mistake this crossover for a sports performance machine, at least until the GT comes out. But if you're looking at that, then really hold out for the Macan EV promised soon....
To @Guy 's points I am fairly disappointed that Polestar has had so many launch issues that seem persistent. I really wished they took on less risks than they clearly did and just piggybacked on the Volvo supply chain and infrastructure. That said my own car is so far free of major worrisome issues (knock on wood....) and the MachE deliveries only just started. It took a few months for the Polestar recall madness to become clear..... so let's see where everything lies later into the Spring/Summer - if MachE issues start cropping up and if Polestar does manage to fix and deliver everything after almost a year of their launch.
Would need to see his spreadsheets but I’m guessing that currently the MachE then has less mi/hr charging gain compared to the Polestar. It has somewhat worse kWh/100mi efficiency, and similar ish non cold gated charging curve. It has a bigger battery pack which allows net more range. Interested to see how its 1000km test would go versus the Polestar with the current software
Alex on Autos tested real world range on the MachE AWD ER, EPA 270 mi. He stays on a route going roughly 65-70 mph and gets 3.3 mi/kWh or ~30 kWh/100mi. It's in the Bay Area and he did it recently, looks like mid-day so 10-15C I'm guessing.
Gets a total real world range of 270-280mi on an 88 kWh usable battery pack.
In comparison on the same track with similar weather he got 220-230mi from the Polestar, which about tracks with the difference in usable battery pack (maybe a bit less efficiency for Polestar).
Gets a total real world range of 270-280mi on an 88 kWh usable battery pack.
In comparison on the same track with similar weather he got 220-230mi from the Polestar, which about tracks with the difference in usable battery pack (maybe a bit less efficiency for Polestar).
Seem the MachE is running into similar problems as Polestar had at its launch with charging. Upside is the whole plug and charge thing seems to work. But, the reviewer got low kW at time, interrupted charging, and seems like an overall frustrating experience.
Totally anecdotal but I haven't seen nearly the level of these issues with the Polestar at electrify america stations, even before any software updates. As long as you avoid the Signet EA chargers seems to work fine?
Including with the Polestar? I've had one experience with charging cutting out, which resolved moving over a stall. Else around here, main issue I've heard of is some charger banks being full near particular malls/sites though I haven't had to make use of those.
Wonder if EA specifically tests around here, ensuring that our chargers are up to date?
Anyone else see the Ford Evos as if the MachE and the P*2 had one fateful night (with that MachE scad running out and never paying alimony)?:
jalopnik.com
The Evos Is The Future Of Ford Sedans, Like It Or Not
Ford isn’t willing to sell you an old-fashioned three-box sedan anymore. But if you live in China, it’ll give you something that vaguely resembles one, called the Evos.
jalopnik.com
We crossed the MachE off because it was even more delayed than the Polestar.
And my wife took one look at the interior/exterior pics and said “ugh gross. F*ck no”. She has very clearly defined opinions.
should note at first launch the Polestar’s leasing was similarly strange. If they offered then what they’re offering now I probably would’ve leased instead of financed. Either way if/when I sell I’m guessing the net $$ will come out similar.
And my wife took one look at the interior/exterior pics and said “ugh gross. F*ck no”. She has very clearly defined opinions.
should note at first launch the Polestar’s leasing was similarly strange. If they offered then what they’re offering now I probably would’ve leased instead of financed. Either way if/when I sell I’m guessing the net $$ will come out similar.
parked next to one the other day and had a good look around. In another life and with another wife I could see having gone for it.
It's only a bit taller than the P*2, and a fair bit longer. It's clearly set up for the Costco and soccer practice runs, with sportiness as a kind of afterthought styling thing - while the Polestar I think is the other way around.
Also its 360cam must not be functioning well given the parking job I had to accommodate! :]
thats more expensive than the P*2 lease was initially and that’s come down significantly since then
and also more expensive than an etron sportback lease quote I got, and that MSRP is significantly higher
WTF Volvo
Re EV range- the P*2 range is fine for us right now.
But honestly, I don’t feel it's as comfortable/convenient for doing a typical longer road trip, at least for now. e.g. if we want to take the kids to Legoland in San Diego from Palo Alto, ABRP suggests 3x stops of 20-30 min each, every 1.5-2h driving. In a model 3 LR, we could skip one of those stops. And in both cases we'd need to have some sort of good charging available at the destination.
In an ICE we'd do that with 1x stop with gas stations ubiquitously available at the beginning, interim, and end destinations.
For now I can tell myself that those 20-30 min stops are nice to have potty and stretch breaks. But it's still a thing I have to rationalize away.
With a Model S, Lucid Air, Taycan, etron GT, or Merc EQS we could go like we would in an ICE as they seem to realistically get >300-350mi range even on the highway, with fast (>200-250kW) charging rates. If it's like all the other car tech, I'd expect those ranges to come into the more budget friendly cars in ~5 years or so. Then, there really isn't an argument to be made against EVs re range.
Until then, I'll keep on telling my wife and kids that no really this way is better right now, for reasons.
At least Polestar Space Warp helps for the kids and me!
I'm going to try saying something like this to my wife when she's pondering how to pass time in beautiful Bakersfield when we next decide to schlep down there.
Hopefully she doesn't have too many pointy objects at hand.
Took my folks on a tour of EVs while they were visiting to try to get them to trade in one of their ICE for one. They drive appliances and like it that way, so even though they like my car, without a cheaper single motor variant available now/soon the Polestar is out.
In the process was able to check out the MachE, but only exterior/interior. The cars seem to be flying off the lots here so they don't have any demo units available for test drives unless we were willing to say we would likely take a specific unit away right then and wanted to test it first.
Just based on look/feel I think it's basically the best of the varied crossover EVs available today, with the ID4 coming up next. It doesn't feel special like the Polestar, which I think is more a Model 3 analogue than the MachE/Y/XC40/ID4. But it hits a lot of great notes. Super comfy seats (though more squishy than supportive). Intuitive layout of the cabin and software. Lots of little practical bits and loads of cargo storage space.
The MachE has more practical features and is objectively better looking than the Model Y. Based on 3 cars leftover at the Ford dealer I was at, I could see better build quality than the Y on display at the flagship Tesla showroom in Palo Alto. And, with the single motor variants for the MachE, you can get better range/$ with it than the Y. My folks and people like them don't care about 0-60 times and really don't need AWD. Not sure why Tesla doesn't offer a single motor large battery option.
Compared to the ID4, I think it's better looking, and I think cargo-wise it's similar if you combine frunk+trunk. The seats and layout were more comfortable to me and the software was snappier. The ID4 could be had for cheaper though, and I think its trunk area is bigger, which is more practical. The ID4 seems like a solid RAV4 analogue, and is priced accordingly, while the MachE felt a bit nicer overall, and is priced accordingly.
And compared to the XC40, well, sorry Volvo. I think the XC40 looks great. But the range, charging, and cargo of the MachE is better, and it's cheaper, even with the ~10% Ford dealer markups happening around here. The XC40 is more cohesively designed, and can better claim the SUV mantle given its ground clearance, tire/wheel sizes, etc. But for either option, this thing will be used for Costco not scaling crags.
That all said, my folks wanted an appliance so they looked at all those options..... and went with a base spec Model 3 (literally base; no options, not even paint, which I offered to pay for), which should arrive to their place in a couple months. Glad they're experimenting with EVs at their ripe age!
In the process was able to check out the MachE, but only exterior/interior. The cars seem to be flying off the lots here so they don't have any demo units available for test drives unless we were willing to say we would likely take a specific unit away right then and wanted to test it first.
Just based on look/feel I think it's basically the best of the varied crossover EVs available today, with the ID4 coming up next. It doesn't feel special like the Polestar, which I think is more a Model 3 analogue than the MachE/Y/XC40/ID4. But it hits a lot of great notes. Super comfy seats (though more squishy than supportive). Intuitive layout of the cabin and software. Lots of little practical bits and loads of cargo storage space.
The MachE has more practical features and is objectively better looking than the Model Y. Based on 3 cars leftover at the Ford dealer I was at, I could see better build quality than the Y on display at the flagship Tesla showroom in Palo Alto. And, with the single motor variants for the MachE, you can get better range/$ with it than the Y. My folks and people like them don't care about 0-60 times and really don't need AWD. Not sure why Tesla doesn't offer a single motor large battery option.
Compared to the ID4, I think it's better looking, and I think cargo-wise it's similar if you combine frunk+trunk. The seats and layout were more comfortable to me and the software was snappier. The ID4 could be had for cheaper though, and I think its trunk area is bigger, which is more practical. The ID4 seems like a solid RAV4 analogue, and is priced accordingly, while the MachE felt a bit nicer overall, and is priced accordingly.
And compared to the XC40, well, sorry Volvo. I think the XC40 looks great. But the range, charging, and cargo of the MachE is better, and it's cheaper, even with the ~10% Ford dealer markups happening around here. The XC40 is more cohesively designed, and can better claim the SUV mantle given its ground clearance, tire/wheel sizes, etc. But for either option, this thing will be used for Costco not scaling crags.
That all said, my folks wanted an appliance so they looked at all those options..... and went with a base spec Model 3 (literally base; no options, not even paint, which I offered to pay for), which should arrive to their place in a couple months. Glad they're experimenting with EVs at their ripe age!
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