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I see the predicted charging times more of an indication about the planned route, similar to the predicted driving time to the next stop.

When you are charging while routing is active, arrival SoC for the next target is updated in real time. You could simply stop charging when arrival SoC is predicted @ 10%.

I have yet to test the new system on a longer trip. Am also curious how they will implement editing the charge points and preferences for/against certain charger networks.
Just tried playing with Google's route planning as it is in my car now.
It does suggest >50kW chargers now - yay!
But, it only indicates the %SOC you're meant to have when arriving at each charger and the time you're meant to charge there.

I see no way to know what %SOC you're meant to get to at each charging stop - that's a dumb oversight given the variability of effective average kW and if you have to do multiple stops along the way, it's a faff to have to titrate to some threshold at the destination and guesstimate yourself. I much prefer ABRP's display that shows the expected %SOC at the beginning and end of each charging session. I see no rationale for not including that info given they easily have the pixel space to fit in e.g. "25%-->50%" for each charge listing.

Also I see no way to nudge the suggested charging route by ignoring or specifying a specific charger, filtering by kW or charging vendor, filtering by nearby food/rest options, or anything like that. Google just gives a suggested route and if you don't like it you have to just deal, or hack it by giving intermediate destinations to force it to do what you want. I know they must be working on it but right now planning with ABRP and checking chargers in PlugShare or the analogue is still the better option.
 

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Just tried playing with Google's route planning as it is in my car now.
It does suggest >50kW chargers now - yay!
But, it only indicates the %SOC you're meant to have when arriving at each charger and the time you're meant to charge there.

I see no way to know what %SOC you're meant to get to at each charging stop - that's a dumb oversight given the variability of effective average kW and if you have to do multiple stops along the way, it's a faff to have to titrate to some threshold at the destination and guesstimate yourself. I much prefer ABRP's display that shows the expected %SOC at the beginning and end of each charging session. I see no rationale for not including that info given they easily have the pixel space to fit in e.g. "25%-->50%" for each charge listing.

Also I see no way to nudge the suggested charging route by ignoring or specifying a specific charger, filtering by kW or charging vendor, filtering by nearby food/rest options, or anything like that. Google just gives a suggested route and if you don't like it you have to just deal, or hack it by giving intermediate destinations to force it to do what you want. I know they must be working on it but right now planning with ABRP and checking chargers in PlugShare or the analogue is still the better option.
If only Google had a consultant available who regularly blogs about their (and their competitors') maps designs, already has consulted with them previously, and has basically laid out what their future mapping should look like...

oh, like this guy:
 

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The newly updated google maps app has gotten worse (somehow) for me.

I tried making a test route from Eindhoven to Frankfurt (337 km) with a 96% SOC (430km).
1. apparently, google maps app knows the real range and it doesn't believe in the polestar's 430km range (thus 0% on arrival)
2. I clicked on "add charging stop" and got the msg down below.

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Despite the recent update (dec 19) of Google Maps with its new fast charging station algorithm, this only seems to work for long trips with 2 or more charge sessions.

For example, when I plan a route to lets say Hamburg in Germany, from my home in Netherlands, this is a trip of 498 km and google suggests automatically most efficient charging stops alongside the route to get to the destination with optimised travel time. Without charging 4hr:44min.

(In this case my start SoC is 50% at home)

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When I go along with the suggestion to add charging stops (blue button), google maps chooses effective fast charging stops along the route to charge as short as possible to reach destination:

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Which brings me there in 6hours 14 mins, not bad.

So, this works reasonable, still no possibility to filter on charging speeds, find alternatives if occupied, or select a type/brand of charging station to match compatibility with your charging pass/subscription.

HOWEVER, when I try to navigate closer to home, still a descent trip of 244km, let's say to Groningen in the North of Holland, then google maps still recognises that I need to charge in order to reach my destination - which is good - BUT then it suggests ONLY slow charging options along the route, which charging times ranging from 4.5-13 hours (!!). AND not a single fast charge station along the route, which MANY are available in Netherlands. Fastned, Ionity, Shell Recharge, all on the highway route route to Groningen every 20miles of so... These fast charge startions are now suddenly all ignored by Google maps and no option/filter to select these!!

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Charging stops suggested by Google, option 1/2/3: 5 hours, 4.5 hours, 4.5 hours ....

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Charging stops suggested by google option 4/5/6: 5.5 hours, 13 hours (!!), 4.5 hours

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Charging stops options 7/8/9 suggested by google: 3x 4.5 hours

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Highly annoying! You cant plan a trip with your EV like this.

I havent been able to find a workaround in Google Maps in the polestar, other then using a third party charge/navigation app on my phone, like ABRP, Shell recharge, fastned, etc.....

And this is how it should work, with ABRP, simply 1 fastcharge stop on the way....

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@Polestar/Google maps, this is a huge failure/bug in the current navigation system for an EV. The navigation to charge stations is completely USELESS. Depending fully on fast charge options during longer trips, google maps should provide the user with options to actually navigate through these fast charge stations. And not only for a trip for 2 stops or more.

Am I missing the point here maybe? How do you experience this in other countries?

I am planning to file my report to google maps support and polestar support.

Regards
Skywalker.
 

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I think you describe it well. I can't use Google to plan, either.
 

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Despite the recent update (dec 19) of Google Maps with its new fast charging station algorithm, this only seems to work for long trips with 2 or more charge sessions.

For example, when I plan a route to lets say Hamburg in Germany, from my home in Netherlands, this is a trip of 498 km and google suggests automatically most efficient charging stops alongside the route to get to the destination with optimised travel time. Without charging 4hr:44min.

(In this case my start SoC is 50% at home)

View attachment 4657

When I go along with the suggestion to add charging stops (blue button), google maps chooses effective fast charging stops along the route to charge as short as possible to reach destination:

View attachment 4658

Which brings me there in 6hours 14 mins, not bad.

So, this works reasonable, still no possibility to filter on charging speeds, find alternatives if occupied, or select a type/brand of charging station to match compatibility with your charging pass/subscription.

HOWEVER, when I try to navigate closer to home, still a descent trip of 244km, let's say to Groningen in the North of Holland, then google maps still recognises that I need to charge in order to reach my destination - which is good - BUT then it suggests ONLY slow charging options along the route, which charging times ranging from 4.5-13 hours (!!). AND not a single fast charge station along the route, which MANY are available in Netherlands. Fastned, Ionity, Shell Recharge, all on the highway route route to Groningen every 20miles of so... These fast charge startions are now suddenly all ignored by Google maps and no option/filter to select these!!

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Charging stops suggested by Google, option 1/2/3: 5 hours, 4.5 hours, 4.5 hours ....

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Charging stops suggested by google option 4/5/6: 5.5 hours, 13 hours (!!), 4.5 hours

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Charging stops options 7/8/9 suggested by google: 3x 4.5 hours

View attachment 4662

Highly annoying! You cant plan a trip with your EV like this.

I havent been able to find a workaround in Google Maps in the polestar, other then using a third party charge/navigation app on my phone, like ABRP, Shell recharge, fastned, etc.....

And this is how it should work, with ABRP, simply 1 fastcharge stop on the way....

View attachment 4664

@Polestar/Google maps, this is a huge failure/bug in the current navigation system for an EV. The navigation to charge stations is completely USELESS. Depending fully on fast charge options during longer trips, google maps should provide the user with options to actually navigate through these fast charge stations. And not only for a trip for 2 stops or more.

Am I missing the point here maybe? How do you experience this in other countries?

I am planning to file my report to google maps support and polestar support.

Regards
Skywalker.
fairly useless for me too in California. I plan out the route in ABRP and check against local restaurants or rest stops in regular Google maps. Then I manually select the route in the car’s Google maps. At least my search history seems to sync nicely between desktop/mobile Google maps and the car Google maps, so just have to click the right next stop after checking it on my phone

but yeah. Definitely frustrating that Google maps in the car is so insufficient
 

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Why have they still not fixed the navigation waypoint system?
It's horrible to come to the charge point after 2.5 hours of driving only to see it disappear from the plan and being replaced with "drive on" while not having a clue how long you needed to charge for.
It just baffles me that this information is deleted as soon as you reach the waypoint. Makes it so hard to know how many % to charge to before I can set off.
I've seen this behavior on several multi-chargestop journeys now and it is completely useless...
 

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Why have they still not fixed the navigation waypoint system?
It's horrible to come to the charge point after 2.5 hours of driving only to see it disappear from the plan and being replaced with "drive on" while not having a clue how long you needed to charge for.
It just baffles me that this information is deleted as soon as you reach the waypoint. Makes it so hard to know how many % to charge to before I can set off.
I've seen this behavior on several multi-chargestop journeys now and it is completely useless...
i feel like the only explanation for Google Maps’s continued fail at route planning is they’re deciding whether to bring that in via acquisition of a firm that’s already figured it out. They could easily fix this if they devoted resources to it. They just clearly haven’t done that
 
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