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I'm so glad I didn't get a Tesla

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Let me apologize at the outset to any who happen to own one in addition to the P2, because I really, really didn't like the Model Y I rented for a trip. It was obviously roomy in the back, and I appreciate the efficiency and the charging network. But that common complaint about fit and finish—I get that, totally. This was a '22 with 24K miles, and the black trim around the windows was shockingly degraded. Granted, it was a rental, but the exterior seemed far too worn for a '22.

The doors had a hollow, unsatisfying clang when you shut them. The seats were comfortable enough, but the seat bases were covered with a thin, flexible piece of plastic. The side mirrors sounded like they were on their last legs when retracting. In the Florida heat the AC was too cold at 68 and too warm at 69. The suspension felt squishy, and the car had phantom rattles and squeaks. The smart wipers were kinda dumb, and the door handles were annoying after a while.

All the way around it felt like it had been slapped together. IMHO the P2 is just a way more premium vehicle.
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Having just had a Model 3 as a loaner, I have to agree that the PS feels much more like a premium Sedan, while the Tesla interior is much more of an "economy car". That said, I can also understand why some people might prefer the Tesla. It certainly feels a lot more spacious while the tech, cameras, etc. seem more advanced.

For me, the bigger gap is between any EV and any ICE car. The ICE vehicles, even the premium ones, all feel archaic.
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Let me apologize at the outset to any who happen to own one in addition to the P2, because I really, really didn't like the Model Y I rented for a trip. It was obviously roomy in the back, and I appreciate the efficiency and the charging network. But that common complaint about fit and finish—I get that, totally. This was a '22 with 24K miles, and the black trim around the windows was shockingly degraded. Granted, it was a rental, but the exterior seemed far too worn for a '22.

The doors had a hollow, unsatisfying clang when you shut them. The seats were comfortable enough, but the seat bases were covered with a thin, flexible piece of plastic. The side mirrors sounded like they were on their last legs when retracting. In the Florida heat the AC was too cold at 68 and too warm at 69. The suspension felt squishy, and the car had phantom rattles and squeaks. The smart wipers were kinda dumb, and the door handles were annoying after a while.

All the way around it felt like it had been slapped together. IMHO the P2 is just a way more premium vehicle.
Were you previously on the ID4 forum @Sun Dog ?
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For me, the bigger gap is between any EV and any ICE car. The ICE vehicles, even the premium ones, all feel archaic.
Totally with you on that- was looking to avoid renting an ICE. Thankfully Hertz has the P2 as well.
Let me apologize at the outset to any who happen to own one in addition to the P2, because I really, really didn't like the Model Y I rented for a trip. It was obviously roomy in the back, and I appreciate the efficiency and the charging network. But that common complaint about fit and finish—I get that, totally. This was a '22 with 24K miles, and the black trim around the windows was shockingly degraded. Granted, it was a rental, but the exterior seemed far too worn for a '22.

The doors had a hollow, unsatisfying clang when you shut them. The seats were comfortable enough, but the seat bases were covered with a thin, flexible piece of plastic. The side mirrors sounded like they were on their last legs when retracting. In the Florida heat the AC was too cold at 68 and too warm at 69. The suspension felt squishy, and the car had phantom rattles and squeaks. The smart wipers were kinda dumb, and the door handles were annoying after a while.

All the way around it felt like it had been slapped together. IMHO the P2 is just a way more premium vehicle.
I have a 24 Performance on order and love the P2P but I'm going in with both eyes wide open about the many shortcomings of the P2. I think the Model 3/Y is an excellent choice easily on par with the P2 in most areas but just different. I prefer the P2's styling and Performance pack over the Tesla but it's a matter of taste. Weird how some people are very simplistic and associate minimalism with poor quality. I get the fanboy mentality and need to p*ss on other brands to prove your point though.

Sadly, JDP's rates the 21-23 P2 way below all other cars in class in quality and reliabilty including the Tesla so perception is often not reality. I'm hoping that after 3 yrs in production my 24 P2P will be vastly improved in these areas.
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Were you previously on the ID4 forum @Sun Dog ?
No, must be another wx or Rush fan :)
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I have a 24 Performance on order and love the P2P but I'm going in with both eyes wide open about the many shortcomings of the P2. I think the Model 3/Y is an excellent choice easily on par with the P2 in most areas but just different. I prefer the P2's styling and Performance pack over the Tesla but it's a matter of taste. Weird how some people are very simplistic and associate minimalism with poor quality. I get the fanboy mentality and need to p*ss on other brands to prove your point though.

Sadly, JDP's rates the 21-23 P2 way below all other cars in class in quality and reliabilty including the Tesla so perception is often not reality. I'm hoping that after 3 yrs in production my 24 P2P will be vastly improved in these areas.
Haha, wow- guess the preemptive apology was insufficient 😂. I went into it with an open mind, and was really surprised.
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There's a lot more reasons to be glad you didn't get a Tesla! I'm selling my Tesla Model 3 Performance at a pretty hefty loss due to the way things have been going. I got mine September 2020 and for the 1st year and a half it was amazing. Some updates were better than others, but it was mostly trending up with regards to improvements. Then Musk went full mental. About half way into 2022 updates just made things worse, each update is now a question of 'what's broken' or 'what's removed'. The big one that started the search for a new car was 'Tesla Vision', you won't find anyone saying anything good about it. Unless they're a huge Telsa fanboy.

So what's so bad about it? Because of part shortages they dropped radar, and switched to camera only. My car fortunately has radar so I thought I would be safe. No such luck, they literally switched everyone over to the radarless AutoPilot system. This means the phantom brakes that were almost gone? Back with vengance. Worse, auto wipers and auto high-beam are now required for AP. Even adaptive cruise requires auto wipers?!? Auto high-beam is atrocious and will not dip for oncoming traffic, and is slow to re-engage. It also likes to flicker on and off with road signs, because it blinds itself with high beam, so it dips. Now the sign is dark, so it goes back to high beam. Repeat. They did an update to improve the high beam and now it doesn't blind everyone but it still likes to keep high beam on when traffic is further away - especially if in the same direction you are. It also still runs full beam in town with street lights, it'll only dip for what it thinks are cars. Auto wipers, well, they've never worked right and never will. The best bit is going down the motorway on a sunny day, with them wiping away. Can't turn them off unless you go full manual, no auto steer, no cruise.

In the newer cars they've dropped the ultrasonic sensors, so they use the camera for parking sensors now. It predictably doesn't work. It's only a matter of time before they put everyone on that code path and the USS are disabled too.

Oh and it loves to try and steer you 'into' lane now too. Even if you're in full manual, if it thinks you're leaving your lane it'll pretty forcefully push the wheel. So you have to provide quite a lot of torque to 'override' the system. It's never actually triggered when I have gone over a white line or the edge of the road. It only ever triggers when I'm in lane, pushing me out. So that's fun.

I'm reminded of a TMC thread where a guy constantly had his car alert and steer him into the oncoming lane when he went down a specific road. Oh how we laughed at the old guy not understanding things. Back then the car would alert, but never provide steering 'assist' even if it was turned on so we couldn't believe he was getting any torque through the wheel. We should have listened. Tesla seem to send out different versions of the software for A/B testing, even if the version number is the same. He clearly had an early implementation and we didn't take it seriously. He sold his car within a month of this starting, and I can see why. I should have sold mine then too when it was worth barely any less than I paid for it. If someone starts reporting something bad in the software that no one else is getting - just assume you'll get it later on.

So my suggestion is this: Don't get a Tesla. The M3P is still my favourite car I've ever had as a driving experience. It isn't the best at any specific area (other than maybe acceleration!), but the overall package fits me perfectly. But the software.... the software wants you and everyone around you dead. You cannot turn it off permanently, it will only get worse.

So I have a Polestar 2 on order at heavy financial cost because of the heavy depreciation that's hit Tesla this year. I am of course beyond concerned about the Polestar software, with all the talk of resetting the tablet, TCAM issues, app issues, etc.. The Tesla software is very stable, apart from the driving bit - that's homicidal. I really don't want to be dealing with software problems and have a pretty low tolerance for them.
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Auto wipers, well, they've never worked right and never will. The best bit is going down the motorway on a sunny day, with them wiping away. Can't turn them off unless you go full manual, no auto steer, no cruise.
Exactly! My son and I were laughing, thinking that it reminded us of malfunctioning robots in WALL-E.

But the software.... the software wants you and everyone around you dead.
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Exactly! My son and I were laughing, thinking that it reminded us of malfunctioning robots in WALL-E.
Hah for a good laugh, give this a watch:

This is what it was like when they first forced it on us. How Tesla could think it was acceptable to take a working system, and then force.... this o_O It isn't anywhere near as bad now, but it's still what I would call 'bad'.

And this is what the people without USS get to deal with on their rather pricey Teslas:
Bonus points if you notice the car thinks there's a HGV in the garage with the car 😂
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There's a lot more reasons to be glad you didn't get a Tesla! I'm selling my Tesla Model 3 Performance at a pretty hefty loss due to the way things have been going. I got mine September 2020 and for the 1st year and a half it was amazing. Some updates were better than others, but it was mostly trending up with regards to improvements. Then Musk went full mental. About half way into 2022 updates just made things worse, each update is now a question of 'what's broken' or 'what's removed'. The big one that started the search for a new car was 'Tesla Vision', you won't find anyone saying anything good about it. Unless they're a huge Telsa fanboy.

So what's so bad about it? Because of part shortages they dropped radar, and switched to camera only. My car fortunately has radar so I thought I would be safe. No such luck, they literally switched everyone over to the radarless AutoPilot system. This means the phantom brakes that were almost gone? Back with vengance. Worse, auto wipers and auto high-beam are now required for AP. Even adaptive cruise requires auto wipers?!? Auto high-beam is atrocious and will not dip for oncoming traffic, and is slow to re-engage. It also likes to flicker on and off with road signs, because it blinds itself with high beam, so it dips. Now the sign is dark, so it goes back to high beam. Repeat. They did an update to improve the high beam and now it doesn't blind everyone but it still likes to keep high beam on when traffic is further away - especially if in the same direction you are. It also still runs full beam in town with street lights, it'll only dip for what it thinks are cars. Auto wipers, well, they've never worked right and never will. The best bit is going down the motorway on a sunny day, with them wiping away. Can't turn them off unless you go full manual, no auto steer, no cruise.

In the newer cars they've dropped the ultrasonic sensors, so they use the camera for parking sensors now. It predictably doesn't work. It's only a matter of time before they put everyone on that code path and the USS are disabled too.

Oh and it loves to try and steer you 'into' lane now too. Even if you're in full manual, if it thinks you're leaving your lane it'll pretty forcefully push the wheel. So you have to provide quite a lot of torque to 'override' the system. It's never actually triggered when I have gone over a white line or the edge of the road. It only ever triggers when I'm in lane, pushing me out. So that's fun.

I'm reminded of a TMC thread where a guy constantly had his car alert and steer him into the oncoming lane when he went down a specific road. Oh how we laughed at the old guy not understanding things. Back then the car would alert, but never provide steering 'assist' even if it was turned on so we couldn't believe he was getting any torque through the wheel. We should have listened. Tesla seem to send out different versions of the software for A/B testing, even if the version number is the same. He clearly had an early implementation and we didn't take it seriously. He sold his car within a month of this starting, and I can see why. I should have sold mine then too when it was worth barely any less than I paid for it. If someone starts reporting something bad in the software that no one else is getting - just assume you'll get it later on.

So my suggestion is this: Don't get a Tesla. The M3P is still my favourite car I've ever had as a driving experience. It isn't the best at any specific area (other than maybe acceleration!), but the overall package fits me perfectly. But the software.... the software wants you and everyone around you dead. You cannot turn it off permanently, it will only get worse.

So I have a Polestar 2 on order at heavy financial cost because of the heavy depreciation that's hit Tesla this year. I am of course beyond concerned about the Polestar software, with all the talk of resetting the tablet, TCAM issues, app issues, etc.. The Tesla software is very stable, apart from the driving bit - that's homicidal. I really don't want to be dealing with software problems and have a pretty low tolerance for them.
good thing about the Polestar is the tablet doesn’t “own” the car. You can reset it while you’re driving and all you lose is the sound from the blinkers. You don’t even lose the driver’s display. So the car itself is autonomous. I like that.
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I’ll make this short and sweet: Tesla sucks. Polestar sucks less.

Let’s move on.
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.....the tech, cameras, etc. seem more advanced.
Other than the vastly superior app, I'm not sure how the tech or cameras seem more advanced?

I've owned a model Y. No 360 view, no cross traffic sensors, no blind spot monitors, a completely useless auto wiper system....these are missing features that are totally one thousand percent inexcusable in 2023, especially in a car that pretends to be so techy. Driving my model y was actually frustrating and felt like an econobox at times because of the missing features that are present on a Chevy Bolt.
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Weird how some people are very simplistic and associate minimalism with poor quality.
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Other than the vastly superior app, I'm not sure how the tech or cameras seem more advanced?

I've owned a model Y. No 360 view, no cross traffic sensors, no blind spot monitors, a completely useless auto wiper system....these are missing features that are totally one thousand percent inexcusable in 2023, especially in a car that pretends to be so techy. Driving my model y was actually frustrating and felt like an econobox at times because of the missing features that are present on a Chevy Bolt.
Wow I had no idea. I watched lots of video reviews and comparisons of Tesla & Polestar. None of this was mentioned, but Tesla always seemed to win because it was a bit more efficient 🤪. But cup holders? Sometimes 50% of reviews.

At the moment I have tradie trucks parked in my street all the time blocking my view out of my driveway, if I didn’t have rear traffic alert and emergency braking I would have been hit by an oncoming car every week.
I have a 24 Performance on order and love the P2P but I'm going in with both eyes wide open about the many shortcomings of the P2. I think the Model 3/Y is an excellent choice easily on par with the P2 in most areas but just different. I prefer the P2's styling and Performance pack over the Tesla but it's a matter of taste. Weird how some people are very simplistic and associate minimalism with poor quality. I get the fanboy mentality and need to p*ss on other brands to prove your point though.

Sadly, JDP's rates the 21-23 P2 way below all other cars in class in quality and reliabilty including the Tesla so perception is often not reality. I'm hoping that after 3 yrs in production my 24 P2P will be vastly improved in these areas.
I’ll continue to point out that this survey and any reviews based on it are flawed. The score is based on only three of the four categories that comprise all the other car ratings and it’s also compare to a bunch much of ICE cars. It’s disingenuous and is misleading
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All cars have advantages, all cars have disadvantages. Tesla currently have IMO in insurmountable disadvantage in the form of Elon Musk, but ignoring that, their fit and finish is poor and, in the case of the Model 3 and Model Y there are some design choices that I personally don't like like the lack of a display in front of the driver, and the external styling isn't my cup of tea. But their battery and motor tech is fantastic, and Autopilot, whilst spectacularly badly named (especially the 'Full Self Driving' bull) is one of the best driving assistant features out there.

I also don't like the Polestar's centre console, and that the efficiency isn't as good. But the Polestar is gorgeous, the interior is well made and looks great. The liftback design is much more useful than the saloon body of the Model 3.

Neither are bad cars. Fanbois tend to view any criticism as hatred or 'proof' of bias.
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All the way around it felt like it had been slapped together. IMHO the P2 is just a way more premium vehicle.
I guess in this case, it’s an AB test in relation to premium, because as I’ve said countless times, the P2 is not a premium product. It’s a capable well spec mid range vehicle, with fixtures and fittings that match its position in the market.

It’s price in the market, is also not premium compared to cars it wants to be considered against, yes is comparable with cars that are considered less premium in the eyes of many.

I like my P2, but after 12 months I’ve lost what I initially loved about it. It’s still very capable, but its Volvo bloodlines are becoming very apparent the longer I own it. That’s a positive to many, but not for me.
good thing about the Polestar is the tablet doesn’t “own” the car. You can reset it while you’re driving and all you lose is the sound from the blinkers. You don’t even lose the driver’s display. So the car itself is autonomous. I like that.
You can do that in Tesla too. The centre tablet is just infotainment / display, the ECU are a pair of custom Tesla SoCs in the dash somewhere. You lose the display and sound while it reboots, but the car is still fully functional. However, I've only ever reset the screen 3 times, and 2 of them I didn't really need to.
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You can do that in Tesla too. The centre tablet is just infotainment / display, the ECU are a pair of custom Tesla SoCs in the dash somewhere. You lose the display and sound while it reboots, but the car is still fully functional. However, I've only ever reset the screen 3 times, and 2 of them I didn't really need to.
Interesting. Unfortunately Android isn’t known for its stability.
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