Depends what you mean by premium. It's no Bentley, for sure, but it's at a similar level in cabin quality to similarly sized cars from BMW or Audi (not price- remember the EV tax!) It's definitely a cut above something like the VW ID.3, and nicer than a Tesla Model 3/Y.I guess in this case, it’s an AB test in relation to premium, because as I’ve said countless times, the P2 is not a premium product. It’s a capable well spec mid range vehicle, with fixtures and fittings that match its position in the market.
It’s price in the market, is also not premium compared to cars it wants to be considered against, yes is comparable with cars that are considered less premium in the eyes of many.
I like my P2, but after 12 months I’ve lost what I initially loved about it. It’s still very capable, but its Volvo bloodlines are becoming very apparent the longer I own it. That’s a positive to many, but not for me.
That's my problem with Tesla and now Twitter- when one person decides (almost) everything based on his biased opinion and own experience.Then Musk went full mental
yes EXACTLY! Find it absolutely mind boggling that this is never mentioned. If VW made the ID4 without these features you can rest assure that every reviewer on earth would be making a massive deal out of it, and in reality they would deserve it, but Tesla gets a pass on everything. These are standard safety features that no 2023 car should be without. Could you imagine the meltdown in this forum if our Polestars didn't have these fearures(granted some are extra cost options). I've often been told that I should start my own YouTube channel as I've owned more EVs than most people and I also find things that are glaringly obvious faults that no one else reports on. My GV60 Performance for instance, I haven't heard one person mention that it wanders a bit(especially at highway speeds and during hard acceleration). It's not a problem with my specific car as it is not as I found it also on the test vehicle. It's not BAD(but should be mentioned when doing an extensive review), but it is there, especially in comparison to my Polestar. I could go on and on. I have learnt to disregard reviews to a certain degree. I'll still watch them as data points but I have yet to find a reviewer that gives what I think is an accurate review.Wow I had no idea. I watched lots of video reviews and comparisons of Tesla & Polestar. None of this was mentioned, but Tesla always seemed to win because it was a bit more efficient 🤪. But cup holders? Sometimes 50% of reviews.
At the moment I have tradie trucks parked in my street all the time blocking my view out of my driveway, if I didn’t have rear traffic alert and emergency braking I would have been hit by an oncoming car every week.
I had to reset several times during my year of ownership, mostly because of a black screen on bootup. One time it happened to my wife after work, she called me in a panic saying the car is dead, no screen etc...I told her how to reboot and that solved it.You can do that in Tesla too. The centre tablet is just infotainment / display, the ECU are a pair of custom Tesla SoCs in the dash somewhere. You lose the display and sound while it reboots, but the car is still fully functional. However, I've only ever reset the screen 3 times, and 2 of them I didn't really need to.
The tests where the nonUSS Tesla can't see 1 box at all in front of the car nor even 2 boxes stacked on top of each other is particularly scary especially as they're being marketed as "FSD" capable.And this is what the people without USS get to deal with on their rather pricey Teslas:Bonus points if you notice the car thinks there's a HGV in the garage with the car 😂
what firmware are you on?I guess in this case, it’s an AB test in relation to premium, because as I’ve said countless times, the P2 is not a premium product. It’s a capable well spec mid range vehicle, with fixtures and fittings that match its position in the market.
It’s price in the market, is also not premium compared to cars it wants to be considered against, yes is comparable with cars that are considered less premium in the eyes of many.
I like my P2, but after 12 months I’ve lost what I initially loved about it. It’s still very capable, but its Volvo bloodlines are becoming very apparent the longer I own it. That’s a positive to many, but not for me.
Largely irrelevant. I've had them all since 2.2, went onto 2.8 last week, but there has been no difference in the cars behaviour since new.what firmware are you on?
You say Volvo as if its a bad word. Volvo is pretty much a premium brand, so is Polestar. Whether or not that fits within your perspective of premium is something else. Seems like the P2 just doesn’t answer your needs in a car, which is fine.Largely irrelevant. I've had them all since 2.2, went onto 2.8 last week, but there has been no difference in the cars behaviour since new.
It's quick (not fast) in a straight line, and it's 2.3T of car, it's never going to light up my world in the corners. Add to the fact (as I've said many times) it's just a volvo in a pretty frock, there are better options for me out there and they may not be EV
Prefer the RIMAC Nevara at least it has a roof 🤣You say Volvo as if its a bad word. Volvo is pretty much a premium brand, so is Polestar. Whether or not that fits within your perspective of premium is something else. Seems like the P2 just doesn’t answer your needs in a car, which is fine.
If weight and cornering are concerns, you’ll indeed find EV’s lacking in that area (unless its like a Balthasar).
Keep in mind that depreciation on a P2 is bad too. You can get a 21 p2 with ppp in the low 40’sThere's a lot more reasons to be glad you didn't get a Tesla! I'm selling my Tesla Model 3 Performance at a pretty hefty loss due to the way things have been going. I got mine September 2020 and for the 1st year and a half it was amazing. Some updates were better than others, but it was mostly trending up with regards to improvements. Then Musk went full mental. About half way into 2022 updates just made things worse, each update is now a question of 'what's broken' or 'what's removed'. The big one that started the search for a new car was 'Tesla Vision', you won't find anyone saying anything good about it. Unless they're a huge Telsa fanboy.
So what's so bad about it? Because of part shortages they dropped radar, and switched to camera only. My car fortunately has radar so I thought I would be safe. No such luck, they literally switched everyone over to the radarless AutoPilot system. This means the phantom brakes that were almost gone? Back with vengance. Worse, auto wipers and auto high-beam are now required for AP. Even adaptive cruise requires auto wipers?!? Auto high-beam is atrocious and will not dip for oncoming traffic, and is slow to re-engage. It also likes to flicker on and off with road signs, because it blinds itself with high beam, so it dips. Now the sign is dark, so it goes back to high beam. Repeat. They did an update to improve the high beam and now it doesn't blind everyone but it still likes to keep high beam on when traffic is further away - especially if in the same direction you are. It also still runs full beam in town with street lights, it'll only dip for what it thinks are cars. Auto wipers, well, they've never worked right and never will. The best bit is going down the motorway on a sunny day, with them wiping away. Can't turn them off unless you go full manual, no auto steer, no cruise.
In the newer cars they've dropped the ultrasonic sensors, so they use the camera for parking sensors now. It predictably doesn't work. It's only a matter of time before they put everyone on that code path and the USS are disabled too.
Oh and it loves to try and steer you 'into' lane now too. Even if you're in full manual, if it thinks you're leaving your lane it'll pretty forcefully push the wheel. So you have to provide quite a lot of torque to 'override' the system. It's never actually triggered when I have gone over a white line or the edge of the road. It only ever triggers when I'm in lane, pushing me out. So that's fun.
I'm reminded of a TMC thread where a guy constantly had his car alert and steer him into the oncoming lane when he went down a specific road. Oh how we laughed at the old guy not understanding things. Back then the car would alert, but never provide steering 'assist' even if it was turned on so we couldn't believe he was getting any torque through the wheel. We should have listened. Tesla seem to send out different versions of the software for A/B testing, even if the version number is the same. He clearly had an early implementation and we didn't take it seriously. He sold his car within a month of this starting, and I can see why. I should have sold mine then too when it was worth barely any less than I paid for it. If someone starts reporting something bad in the software that no one else is getting - just assume you'll get it later on.
So my suggestion is this: Don't get a Tesla. The M3P is still my favourite car I've ever had as a driving experience. It isn't the best at any specific area (other than maybe acceleration!), but the overall package fits me perfectly. But the software.... the software wants you and everyone around you dead. You cannot turn it off permanently, it will only get worse.
So I have a Polestar 2 on order at heavy financial cost because of the heavy depreciation that's hit Tesla this year. I am of course beyond concerned about the Polestar software, with all the talk of resetting the tablet, TCAM issues, app issues, etc.. The Tesla software is very stable, apart from the driving bit - that's homicidal. I really don't want to be dealing with software problems and have a pretty low tolerance for them.
I like my sportscars like my women, topless 😅Prefer the RIMAC Nevara at least it has a roof 🤣
Base 3 / Y costs more than base longrange P2 here. And we get no tax incentives. So it depends on market.Keep in mind that depreciation on a P2 is bad too. You can get a 21 p2 with ppp in the low 40’s
Also new teslas are now way way more cheaper than polestars
Base model 3 starts a 40k and the polestar at 48k . Both without the federal incentive of $7500 (us market) and the p2 comes pretty much plain.I like my sportscars like my women, topless
Base 3 / Y costs more than base longrange P2 here. And we get no tax incentives. So it depends on market.
I was looking up prices, but Polestar lists it prices ex.vat here, while Tesla lists them with vat already added (21%). So yes, Tesla is cheaper. Not by a lot, but cheaper nonetheless.Base model 3 starts a 40k and the polestar at 48k . Both without the federal incentive of $7500 (us market) and the p2 comes pretty much plain.
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I’d have to agree and disagree on this. On the one hand, I’d agree the base models would not be what I’d consider premium, but with the plus pack and nappa leather, and certainly with the added pilot and performance packs (i.e. with all options checked) this would certainly be a premium product. For reference, my other car is a BMW X5 and in comparison, I’d say the PS2 is not as luxurious, but definitely doesn’t feel cheap or like a non-premium vehicle.I guess in this case, it’s an AB test in relation to premium, because as I’ve said countless times, the P2 is not a premium product. It’s a capable well spec mid range vehicle, with fixtures and fittings that match its position in the market.
It’s price in the market, is also not premium compared to cars it wants to be considered against, yes is comparable with cars that are considered less premium in the eyes of many.
I like my P2, but after 12 months I’ve lost what I initially loved about it. It’s still very capable, but its Volvo bloodlines are becoming very apparent the longer I own it. That’s a positive to many, but not for me.
While the majority of Model Y and Model 3 owners may fit your statement, I wouldn't label all Tesla owners this way. My best friend is a perfect example. He daily drives a 2017 Model S P100DL, his wife daily drives a 2022 Model X Plaid, but he also has a 2019 Toyota Tundra and a 900whp 2017 Chevrolet SS Sports Sedan that he mostly built himself. He is for sure a car guy.Tesla people are just not car people
Even independent ones have their biases, I used to read one that strongly opposed any sponsorships and consistently gave very low scores to cars with air conditioning vents placed too low.(paid) reviewers, or (sponsored) car magazines say.
I have a 2022 P2 and the only software issue I have had was a wrong error message. If a rear door was not closed properly the error message was “Key Not Detected” which is very confusing when it’s in your pocket. It took me a few minutes to spot the slightly open door.There's a lot more reasons to be glad you didn't get a Tesla! I'm selling my Tesla Model 3 Performance at a pretty hefty loss due to the way things have been going. I got mine September 2020 and for the 1st year and a half it was amazing. Some updates were better than others, but it was mostly trending up with regards to improvements. Then Musk went full mental. About half way into 2022 updates just made things worse, each update is now a question of 'what's broken' or 'what's removed'. The big one that started the search for a new car was 'Tesla Vision', you won't find anyone saying anything good about it. Unless they're a huge Telsa fanboy.
So what's so bad about it? Because of part shortages they dropped radar, and switched to camera only. My car fortunately has radar so I thought I would be safe. No such luck, they literally switched everyone over to the radarless AutoPilot system. This means the phantom brakes that were almost gone? Back with vengance. Worse, auto wipers and auto high-beam are now required for AP. Even adaptive cruise requires auto wipers?!? Auto high-beam is atrocious and will not dip for oncoming traffic, and is slow to re-engage. It also likes to flicker on and off with road signs, because it blinds itself with high beam, so it dips. Now the sign is dark, so it goes back to high beam. Repeat. They did an update to improve the high beam and now it doesn't blind everyone but it still likes to keep high beam on when traffic is further away - especially if in the same direction you are. It also still runs full beam in town with street lights, it'll only dip for what it thinks are cars. Auto wipers, well, they've never worked right and never will. The best bit is going down the motorway on a sunny day, with them wiping away. Can't turn them off unless you go full manual, no auto steer, no cruise.
In the newer cars they've dropped the ultrasonic sensors, so they use the camera for parking sensors now. It predictably doesn't work. It's only a matter of time before they put everyone on that code path and the USS are disabled too.
Oh and it loves to try and steer you 'into' lane now too. Even if you're in full manual, if it thinks you're leaving your lane it'll pretty forcefully push the wheel. So you have to provide quite a lot of torque to 'override' the system. It's never actually triggered when I have gone over a white line or the edge of the road. It only ever triggers when I'm in lane, pushing me out. So that's fun.
I'm reminded of a TMC thread where a guy constantly had his car alert and steer him into the oncoming lane when he went down a specific road. Oh how we laughed at the old guy not understanding things. Back then the car would alert, but never provide steering 'assist' even if it was turned on so we couldn't believe he was getting any torque through the wheel. We should have listened. Tesla seem to send out different versions of the software for A/B testing, even if the version number is the same. He clearly had an early implementation and we didn't take it seriously. He sold his car within a month of this starting, and I can see why. I should have sold mine then too when it was worth barely any less than I paid for it. If someone starts reporting something bad in the software that no one else is getting - just assume you'll get it later on.
So my suggestion is this: Don't get a Tesla. The M3P is still my favourite car I've ever had as a driving experience. It isn't the best at any specific area (other than maybe acceleration!), but the overall package fits me perfectly. But the software.... the software wants you and everyone around you dead. You cannot turn it off permanently, it will only get worse.
So I have a Polestar 2 on order at heavy financial cost because of the heavy depreciation that's hit Tesla this year. I am of course beyond concerned about the Polestar software, with all the talk of resetting the tablet, TCAM issues, app issues, etc.. The Tesla software is very stable, apart from the driving bit - that's homicidal. I really don't want to be dealing with software problems and have a pretty low tolerance for them.
This is the most accurate thing I have read here. Owned a Tesla 3 LR and it had lots of little issues, constantly. Jaguar iPace, amazing car.... when it worked... purchased back as lemon. Old Nissan Leaf 2012 4th owner with 50 miles of range tops, still have it for the wife the thing just will not die. I view it as a golf cart with aircon. The Polestar with the speed unlock and nearly full option minus leather seats is just, well its ok. I have had brake pads and calipers replaced twice as if you wash the car and park it they adhere to the rotors and snap the pads into bits when the bust free. You can take the car out of China, but you can't take the China out of the car.I’ll make this short and sweet: Tesla sucks. Polestar sucks less.
Let’s move on.
So long as you drive for a few min to give it a good dry after washing the car has been reliable. The app is vey basic but that is the industry right now, good coders are hard to find and even harder to keep. The depreciation on the Polestar is awful. I am getting trade in at less than half of what I paid for it 6 months ago. Don't get me wrong its a good car, but the interior is so much worse than the iPace (the cup holder situation is the worst hand down) and the Korean EVs have been my eyes for years now, especially on the premium side.
