[Saladien]

Is the Polestar 2 still easy to be stolen (compared to polestar 1) because it is not using UWB (Ultra Wide Band) for enhanced Key Security?
This Link here ( https://assets.adac.de/image/upload...der_vom_ADAC_untersucht_04_05_2020_n804eh.pdf ) (German) shows 380 Cars and if they are easy to be hacked via Relay attacks, the Polestar 1 is there and it says:
yes for illegal opening and
yes for illegal engine starting

so, I would be interested if this is still the case with the Polestar 2 and if yes, what polestar is planing to do about it. Because many insurances will not pay for this because there was no breaking in. (depends on the clauses) I would like polestar to be more open about the technology they use. Because security by obscurity is not reliable.
Does anyone here have more information? The polestar hotline was not helpful this far. Thank you.

 

[polerad]

Is the Polestar 2 still easy to be stolen (compared to polestar 1) because it is not using UWB (Ultra Wide Band) for enhanced Key Security?
This Link here ( https://assets.adac.de/image/upload/v1600157603/ADAC-eV/KOR/Text/PDF/28641_Liste_Keyless-Autos_und_Motorräder_vom_ADAC_untersucht_04_05_2020_n804eh.pdf ) (German) shows 380 Cars and if they are easy to be hacked via Relay attacks, the Polestar 1 is there and it says:
yes for illegal opening and
yes for illegal engine starting

so, I would be interested if this is still the case with the Polestar 2 and if yes, what polestar is planing to do about it. Because many insurances will not pay for this because there was no breaking in. (depends on the clauses) I would like polestar to be more open about the technology they use. Because security by obscurity is not reliable.
Does anyone here have more information? The polestar hotline was not helpful this far. Thank you.

Thanks for raising this!
Trying to understand the exact details of what's known and not known.
Do we know if Polestar 2 is using a different authentication scheme than Polestar 1 for its keys? As an aside, could that be the reason that the app and phone-as-a-key has to be totally re-done?

If not, is this something Polestar can enable via software or is it something that required different hardware?

 

[misterspam]

I suspect that they intended to have the phone app ready which would not be suspectible to this issue and that most people would then leave the physical fobs safely at home. Then they realised that the app wouldn't be ready and had to hastily ship the keys/fobs.

I doubt they will 'fix' the fobs to prevent relay theft - instead they will just say 'the app is coming'.

 

[jupiterorbit]

Not that's about to happen on a one month old P*2 but what if your fob battery runs out whilst you are driving? Yesterday, I sat on the driver seat, then put the fob back in the pouch I use that shields transmission of signals. I tried to put the car into drive and the driver display said the key was not detected. So, putting the key in the pouch is a bit like simulating the battery has run out. I assume I'd be stranded in the middle of the road? Or maybe there's a get out of jail card hidden somewhere?

 

[rgledhill]

You would indeed be stuck. However you'd find it become more and more inconsistent in unlocking the car so you'd have a few months of warning before it actually failed.

 

[Poleatl]

Found a section in the manual that says that if the fob battery dies, you can place the key in the bottom of the cubby under the armrest to get the car to start. Must be a passive RFID reader or the like.

 

[krheinwald]

I would also expect a low battery warning for the keys like in other cars.

 

[Snood]

You would indeed be stuck. However you'd find it become more and more inconsistent in unlocking the car so you'd have a few months of warning before it actually failed.

I believe you are wrong here Richard. Provided you have started to drive, it will NOT stop if the key disappears. This is so that you aren't left powerless in a potentially dangerous situation.

 

[rgledhill]

Sorry, that's not quite what I meant - I was referring to the situation he found himself in yesterday where it wouldn't start. I didn't say it would grind to a halt!

 

[Snood]

Understood, however the question from @jupiterorbit was what happens if the key dies whilst driving, and you said "you would be stuck".

All is clear now though.

 

[jupiterorbit]

I believe you are wrong here Richard. Provided you have started to drive, it will NOT stop if the key disappears. This is so that you aren't left powerless in a potentially dangerous situation.

Good to know. I'll test this in the next few days and try to roll out of my driveway by engaging drive mode, accelerating and soon after have my passenger place the key in a shielded pouch and see if the car keeps going.

 

[rgledhill]

I'm sure it will keep going just fine. It'll be interesting to see if it lets you get going again if you put it in Park and then back to Drive (without getting out etc).

 

[Irf]

I specialise in asking stupid questions, so here is mine for today...

We were worried about keyless entry theft so have been keeping the fobs in a metal biscuit tin with the intention that the signal wouldn't leak out of the house. The other day out of curiosity I took the tin to the car and it opened! 😐

So my stupid question is... do I need a special type of metal enclosure to trap the key signal, or a mesh pouch, or what?

Thanks in advance... and sorry if that's a really silly question!

 

[GDank]

I keep mine in Faraday Bag at night

2 Pack Faraday Bag | Car Key Signal Blocking Pouch | Keyless Entry Car Keys Case | RFID Blocker Bag for Car Security: Amazon.co.uk: Car & Motorbike

2 Pack Faraday Bag | Car Key Signal Blocking Pouch | Keyless Entry Car Keys Case | RFID Blocker Bag for Car Security: Amazon.co.uk: Car & Motorbike

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Not all metal tins are made the same - also a Microwave is another good option.

 

[rgledhill]

Same here. My Faraday pouches are a little too good, in fact - even if I take the key out of the pouch but have it next to the pouch in my pocket, sometimes it still doesn't detect the key!