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Anyone notice there is no AM radio?
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Anyone notice there is no AM radio?

Old news. AM’s been omitted on a lot of car…..for quite some time (in case folks haven’t purchased a new vehicle in a while).

Old news. AM’s been omitted on a lot of car…..for quite some time (in case folks haven’t purchased a new vehicle in a while).

I’m more (mildly) upset that we don’t have FM HD stations in the US. I could care less about AM.
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I’m more (mildly) upset that we don’t have FM HD stations in the US. I could care less about AM.
I have an Internet AM station app on my iPhone. Similarly, they have AM and FM apps you can download for your phone and play over the cars Bluetooth. The nice thing I like is these apps have international Internet stations that wouldn’t normally be available, with conventional AM/FM stations.
I’m more (mildly) upset that we don’t have FM HD stations in the US. I could care less about AM.
For quantity of time spent I agree. If I were given the choice it’d be a greater quality-of-life improvement for me to have FM HD.

From a redundancy standpoint, when I’m in a (rather rare) situation in which I wish I had AM radio, I really wish I had it. As a backup.

“[T]oo many automakers are ignoring the critical safety benefits of AM radio,”[Senator] Markey said in a statement this week. “Although many automakers suggested that other communication tools — such as internet radio — could replace broadcast AM radio, in an emergency, drivers might not have access to the internet and could miss critical safety information.”
According to Markey, AM radio operates at lower frequencies and longer wavelengths, enabling it to pass through solid objects and travel further than other radio waves — a feature not shared by FM broadcasts. As a result, FEMA’s National Public Warning System — through which FEMA delivers critical safety alerts to the public — operates through broadcast AM radio stations.
I didn’t know it didn’t have AM until after purchasing. It wouldn’t have changed my mind, but I don’t agree with the omission.
In the US there are two reasons why AM is still needed. One is that many local sports teams games are available over AM but those games are blacked out on streaming apps for distribution rights. The other is more serious. There are many places in rural America where local AM is used to communicate weather, traffic and emergency news. This is on mountain passes, and in national parks where there is likely no data signal.
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I didn't know about the HD radio not being there. bummer. I use HD radio almost exclusively. That and TuneIn. oh well.
Interesting. Anyone see word from Polestar/Volvo on compliance?

I do wish congress had used this opportunity to provide funding to move all the emergency broadcast systems onto something like HD FM, rather than mandate everyone continue using AM.


After speaking with policy leaders about the importance of AM broadcast radio as a part of the emergency alert system, we've decided to include it on all 2024 @Ford & @LincolnMotorCo vehicles. For any owners of Ford EVs without AM broadcast capability, we’ll offer a software update.
There's no 'compliance' issue though. Ford just bowed to pressure in it's biggest market.
There's no 'compliance' issue though. Ford just bowed to pressure in it's biggest market.
Sorry, “potential future compliance issue” would be more accurate, yes.

I spent the last week ferrying my parents around. Even going up into some local county parks we didn’t have cell signal, and their local information broadcasts were AM.
Total nothing burger

Am radio is as useful as a cassette tape player
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No 8-track either! Can't recall the last time I used AM radio. These days it has become a wasteland of fundamentalist preachers and right wing extremists.

Friend of mine has a record player in his DeSoto. Wonder if it would work in the PS!

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Sorry, “potential future compliance issue” would be more accurate, yes.

I spent the last week ferrying my parents around. Even going up into some local county parks we didn’t have cell signal, and their local information broadcasts were AM.
Have you thought perhaps that it's not the car that's the problem, but instead it's the ancient, crumbling, third-world-esque infrastructure?

Maybe they'd be better off dealing with that via legislation!
Am radio is as useful as a cassette tape player
To you maybe.

Have you thought perhaps that it's not the car that's the problem, but instead it's the ancient, crumbling, third-world-esque infrastructure?

Maybe they'd be better off dealing with that via legislation!
Have you thought maybe not everyone lives in a city? As for equating AM with crumbling third world, get a clue.

Just to drive to the other end of our state is 3000km and I'll have phone signal for 5 - 10% of it, FM for even less, and DAB for exactly 0. A couple of medium wave transmitters can cover the whole lot.

I get there are challengers with low frequencies and EVs, just try driving near a train line with overhead electric wires in any vehicle with AM. The interference makes it unusable. And kind of a moot point in an EV as there is currently insufficient charging infrastructure to do the trip anyway.

Anyway, the point is everyone in this country knows you tune to ABC AM for emergency information and God knows there's been enough of those lately.

Can AM be made to work in an EV (easily), no idea. What's a viable alternative that will work in as many places as possible? Again, no idea. Sign all our cars up for Starlink? Said that half in jest but it probably is the future?
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To you maybe.



Have you thought maybe not everyone lives in a city? As for equating AM with crumbling third world, get a clue.

Just to drive to the other end of our state is 3000km and I'll have phone signal for 5 - 10% of it, FM for even less, and DAB for exactly 0. A couple of medium wave transmitters can cover the whole lot.

I get there are challengers with low frequencies and EVs, just try driving near a train line with overhead electric wires in any vehicle with AM. The interference makes it unusable. And kind of a moot point in an EV as there is currently insufficient charging infrastructure to do the trip anyway.

Anyway, the point is everyone in this country knows you tune to ABC AM for emergency information and God knows there's been enough of those lately.

Can AM be made to work in an EV (easily), no idea. What's a viable alternative that will work in as many places as possible? Again, no idea. Sign all our cars up for Starlink? Said that half in jest but it probably is the future?
Most of the emergency broadcast in Australia are on ABC FM stations now. Yes there’s a few areas with AM only, for the few people that live in those areas, and they are VERY sparsely populated (since they need AM radio to cover the distances), I’m sure they could just buy an AM radio and put it in the car for emergency broadcasts.
Just to drive to the other end of our state is 3000km and I'll have phone signal for 5 - 10% of it, FM for even less, and DAB for exactly 0. A couple of medium wave transmitters can cover the whole lot.
I was replying to the chap from the US where they're trying to push through legislation that all cars should retain AM radios, not the Australian outback which I accept is an entirely different issue.

For such niche requirements, surely you have other things with you. Like an AM radio or a satellite phone. I wouldn't personally want to be 1500km from civilisation with no comms in the first place!
No 8-track either! Can't recall the last time I used AM radio. These days it has become a wasteland of fundamentalist preachers and right wing extremists.
Then I guess legislating mandatory AM radio will be a priority for the Republican party.
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Have you thought perhaps that it's not the car that's the problem, but instead it's the ancient, crumbling, third-world-esque infrastructure?

Maybe they'd be better off dealing with that via legislation!
Literally what I meant! Re-quoted below. I completely agree and am frustrated that congress is trying to force companies to adopt old stuff rather than provide funding to help government agencies get onto stuff that makes more sense.

It’s wild that Ford plans to re-enable AM radio with software. I was hoping to see comments from other car companies proposing, well, money for better broadcast tech! And I’m curious to hear what Volvo/Polestar think that should be.

I can be simultaneously frustrated that cars sold in this market don’t work with this market’s broadcast tech (no HD Radio either), while frustrated that my government doesn’t help fund our broadcast tech infrastructure, especially within the realm of other government agencies.

I do wish congress had used this opportunity to provide funding to move all the emergency broadcast systems onto something like HD FM, rather than mandate everyone continue using AM.
Literally what I meant! Re-quoted below. I completely agree and am frustrated that congress is trying to force companies to adopt old stuff rather than provide funding to help government agencies get onto stuff that makes more sense.

It’s wild that Ford plans to re-enable AM radio with software. I was hoping to see comments from other car companies proposing, well, money for better broadcast tech! And I’m curious to hear what Volvo/Polestar think that should be.

I can be simultaneously frustrated that cars sold in this market don’t work with this market’s broadcast tech (no HD Radio either), while frustrated that my government doesn’t help fund our broadcast tech infrastructure, especially within the realm of other government agencies.
If Ford can enable AM with software, kudos to them. Good that they don't have to create new hardware to support this effort.
None of the car companies are going to lobby your government for any new broadcast technology. They will just supply what the market wants or regulation demands. They don't have any vested interest in the broadcast technology being used.

There would be better broadcast technology in use if the lobbyists wouldn't be so effective at preventing change and if the bitter pill of accepting proven technology from the ROTW wasn't so unacceptable to the NIH'ers.
If Ford can enable AM with software, kudos to them.
Yeah hence “wild”! I’m guessing they never removed the antenna that AM was using and just dropped the software frontend for it from the most recent models? Not sure how else that’d work.

They don't have any vested interest in the broadcast technology being used.
They do have vested interest in not being forced to add antennae and software that they’ve not built for these vehicles already on the road. Depending on how this legislation shakes out they could end up having to spend money (since our government won’t?), so perhaps might have an opinion. And I was curious what that opinion might be, that’s all.


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