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To make things even more confusing, a battery, almost any, has stored power, look and see what is written, you see volts, as in 1.5, 9, etc., and a rating, AA, AAA, 9V, etc.
A battery does not store power, it stores energy. AA, AAA are sizes.
To add to the confusion, consumer batteries usually have their capacity in Ah or mAH ((milli)Amperehours), which only when you multiply with their voltage (1.5V, 9V, etc.) gives you the capacity in Wh.
 
here we go again. what does the h in kWh stand for? To make things even more confusing, a battery, almost any, has stored power, look and see what is written, you see volts, as in 1.5, 9, etc., and a rating, AA, AAA, 9V, etc.
It's hard to type this as opposed to writing it :)

h = hours
kW = kilowatts = kilojoules/second
kWh = kilowatts*hours = (kilojoules/second)*3600*hours

You are either dealing with amount of energy in either watt-hours or joules, or you are dealing with rate of energy in watts or kW.
 
h = hours
kW = kilowatts = kilojoules/second
kWh = kilowatts*hours = (kilojoules/second)*3600*hours

You are either dealing with amount of energy in either watt-hours or joules, or you are dealing with rate of energy in watts or kW.
Adding to the confusion...
 
This is another reason non-techies are not anxious to get EVs. The simplistic view is this:

kWh = the amount of gas in your tank.
kW = how quickly you are putting gas into the tank, or using it up in the engine.
I will give up, but if you drive at 30 mph, the h is hours, if I order an IV for you I order it to be at a rate of a certain volume of fluid per hour, such as a liter at a rate of delivery of a liter and hour. I will just have to accept that electricity is the oddball.

Sorry I got everyone into this.
 
I will give up, but if you drive at 30 mph, the h is hours, if I order an IV for you I order it to be at a rate of a certain volume of fluid per hour, such as a liter at a rate of delivery of a liter and hour. I will just have to accept that electricity is the oddball.

Sorry I got everyone into this.
In kWh, h is hours. And kW is an amount divided by a time. Therefore kW is: a rate. So when you multiply a rate (kW) by a time (h) you get an amount (kWh).

If you converted watts to joules the units would look less confusing because you wouldn't have a time (h) in an amount. Instead of kWh you would just have the corresponding amount of joules.
 
But wrong or misleading as it disregards the resitance or sets it to be indefintily small: Think of the voltage as the water pressure in a pipe, resistance as the diameter. The resulting flow is the current. With a small pipe (high resistance) you do not reach a high flow at a given pressure.

With a given pressure (voltage, e.g. 115V) it does not matter how much flow of water (amps, e.g. 15/50A) the utility can deliver as the flow at your faucet is limited by the constant pipe (your body) behind it.
so funny that you use that analogy. While in medical school, one roommate and I convinced a third that you can stop electricity the same way you do water in a hose. I kid you not!

I did a lot of preventive medicine and disaster planning during my career. When the EVs first came out, the first responders worried that they could be electrocuted when cutting a victim out of a car crash.
 
Oh wow this thread has blown up! And apparently it’s a doctor that doesn’t understand SI units? You know, I blame the fact the USA does not understand metric units. Everywhere else we know “k” means 1000x, “m” means 1/1000x, “h” means hour, “/“ means “per” and no “/“ means “times”.
So km/h goes up as hours get less but “kWh” goes down.
 
Just to be clear, it's 1% battery consumption per 100m elevation gain (and a reduction of 1% battery consumption per 100m elevation loss coming back down). Very different than a 1% increase in the rate of battery consumption relative to driving on flat terrain - it could easily be double depending on how steep the climb is.
The rate of elevation change (steepness) does not affect the amount of energy consumed, but it does affect the power required.
 
Oh wow this thread has blown up! And apparently it’s a doctor that doesn’t understand SI units? You know, I blame the fact the USA does not understand metric units. Everywhere else we know “k” means 1000x, “m” means 1/1000x, “h” means hour, “/“ means “per” and no “/“ means “times”.
So km/h goes up as hours get less but “kWh” goes down.
you misinterpret my comment. i do UNDERSTAND usual units. usually when there is an "h" in a statement, it relates to per hour. apparently, that may not be the case in speaking of electricity, in which kWh seems to ignore the h usually denoting hour. If you think that physicians do not understand the metric system, you are woefully unaware of how physicians function. We regularly relate to kg weight, mg doses often per kg, volumes in liters of ml. Of course I know what a k means. usually though "/" denotes division, but you are correct, i have never heard of the lack of the "/" meaning the opposite, or multiply, which is usually a "*". I lived in Europe for 2 years and understand km/h as speed. I admit to not having a clue as to what you mean that "So km/h goes up as hours get less but “kWh” goes down."

One way or the other, this started when I calculated the amount of kWhs I used in the first roughly 6 weeks since i started my lease on my P3. Many readers said what I reported was impossible, but I actually showed an image of the Chargepoint account. One explanation was that I was wasting energy warming up my car for 15 mins before getting into it. That may be the explanation. Currently, the kWh stated on my charger multiplied by the hours predicted to get to a certain % charged works out correct on my Chargepoint L2 charger. I will be keeping an eye on my usage. If there continues to be a usage that doesn't make sense, I will have to drive my service nuts.

In case you didn't see the account data, i attach it here again.
 

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you misinterpret my comment. i do UNDERSTAND usual units. usually when there is an "h" in a statement, it relates to per hour. apparently, that may not be the case in speaking of electricity, in which kWh seems to ignore the h usually denoting hour. If you think that physicians do not understand the metric system, you are woefully unaware of how physicians function. We regularly relate to kg weight, mg doses often per kg, volumes in liters of ml. Of course I know what a k means. usually though "/" denotes division, but you are correct, i have never heard of the lack of the "/" meaning the opposite, or multiply, which is usually a "*". I lived in Europe for 2 years and understand km/h as speed. I admit to not having a clue as to what you mean that "So km/h goes up as hours get less but “kWh” goes down."

One way or the other, this started when I calculated the amount of kWhs I used in the first roughly 6 weeks since i started my lease on my P3. Many readers said what I reported was impossible, but I actually showed an image of the Chargepoint account. One explanation was that I was wasting energy warming up my car for 15 mins before getting into it. That may be the explanation. Currently, the kWh stated on my charger multiplied by the hours predicted to get to a certain % charged works out correct on my Chargepoint L2 charger. I will be keeping an eye on my usage. If there continues to be a usage that doesn't make sense, I will have to drive my service nuts.

In case you didn't see the account data, i attach it here again.
Admittedly I haven’t read the whole thread. But kWh is “kilowatt hours”. km/h is “kilometres per hour”. Just like Nm is “newton metres” not “newtons per metre”.

it’s basic SI notation which is why I thought you’d understand it as a doctor, and why my only conclusion was the lack of experience with the metric system.
 
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