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We don't get the ID.3 here so can only evaluate the ID.4 which just launched.

Based on the pre-order page, going for the AWD Pro with the "Statement + Gradient package" you get to $49.5k vs the $61k of the Polestar 2 (including non-black color and a tow hitch which both come with the ID.4; similar tow rating on both).

For an extra $11-12k, the Polestar 2 seems to give:
  • Nicer exterior design (objective fact)
  • Nicer interior per Autogefuhl
  • Nicer infotainment system and nicer interface without capacitative touch controls per Autogefuhl
  • More motor power/torque
  • Presumably better tuned chassis/handling/suspension/braking
  • Heated rear seats (unclear if ID.4 has heated wipers, headlight washers, etc)
  • 360 cam (vs rear cam only)
  • leather+ventilated seats option (for +$4k)

The ID.4 does have more interior space as a crossover. It comes with 3 years of free Electrify America charging. And you can change the color of the ambient lighting to get your groove on.

Importantly, VW seems to have worked out their nationwide launch with their dealers, which Polestar hasn't.

Expected range is supposed to be similar, around 250 mi EPA, with a notably bigger battery of 82 kWh in the ID.4.

Really the ID.4 is a Model Y and XC40 Recharge competitor. Seems the XC40/P*2 are more upscale offerings compared to the ID.4. Model Y is 'upscale' in name only.
Are the Volvo/Polestars $11-12k more worth it? [unknown what the XC40 pricing is; they're worse at communicating to pre-order holders than Polestar!]. I think so based on reviews, pics of the design, and the higher power/torque too. But could see many folks deciding otherwise.

Tesla should be shaking in their boots though. And Hyundai/Kia too given price is directly competitive with the EV Kona/Niro.

And Toyota and Honda too since after the tax credit the ID.4 is only ~$5-7k more than the ICE RAV4 and CR-V, and that would be even closer in certain states/districts. Those are two of the top 5-10 cars sold in the US. This is going to be really disruptive, in a good way.
 

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All the VW's look dull from the outside. I need to look at a car and go "I want to drive that". In fact with the exception of Merc's ... all German cars (including Skoda/Seat) just look dull or mehhh these days - ok BMW's don't ... but then I think the new nose grille is hideous so wouldn't buy one even if the PR / Customer Service wasn't a pile of dog crap.


If it doesn't tantalise me from the outside I've always treated them badly ... just used and abused them - Same with my cars too! :p
 

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I had been planning on an M4, but I can't get past the styling. I'm much happier with the minimalist, quiet style of the Polestar.
 

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I've never been impressed by BMWs. It's just a "me too" car now.
I'll never say anything bad about my 2009 E92 (manual, RWD, naturally aspirated). It has been a wonderful car to drive and not filled with silly tech and superfluous buttons and knobs and features.

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I'll never say anything bad about my 2009 E92 (manual, RWD, naturally aspirated). It has been a wonderful car to drive and not filled with silly tech and superfluous buttons and knobs and features.
BMW lost me in 1978 with the first 320 where they couldn't get the shimmy out of the front end. After multiple sets of tires and wheels, they finally admitted it was a design flaw!!!
 

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Seems the ID.4 has a serious issue:-

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'Looks like somebody slipped an ICE engine into the car and it's malfunctioned.
 

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Apparently it was the DPF alarm.... On an EV 😂 yeah might because it couldn't find it!
 

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Saw what looked like an ID.4 press or tour car on the road today - first time seeing one in the wild. Looks great, I’m excited to see this current generation of BEVs on the road.

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Saw what looked like an ID.4 press or tour car on the road today - first time seeing one in the wild. Looks great, I’m excited to see this current generation of BEVs on the road.

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How big is it? I can't quite get a sense of the proportions.
 

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I test drove the Polestar 2 and ID.4 yesterday, and while the VW is pretty spacious in comparison, it is nowhere as fun to drive as either the Polestar 2 or the Volvo XC40.

Also, the software and user experience in the car just cannot match the other two. Super confusing, very badly laid out user interface with lots of confusing bits. I had a tough time getting wireless CarPlay working, and wireless Android Auto didn’t work for me at all.

The air conditioning on a hot day was pretty weird. It just wasn’t cooling the car when we got in, but finally we figured out that The fan was blowing but the AC was switched off. Why? Who knows! Took me a while to figure that out. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I just didn’t feel like the car was anything special. Has great passenger space, but the trunk wasn’t that great either. Almost seemed like as much space as the Polestar if not less. The sloping roof of the ID.4 makes it a little less convenient and probably about as useful as the Polestar, but not more.
 

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How big is it? I can't quite get a sense of the proportions.
Taller than the 2 for sure, but smallish by SUV standards. Other than the height, I’d say similar proportions to the Polestar, and definitely smaller than a Tiguan.
 

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How big is it? I can't quite get a sense of the proportions.
And actually, I’m tentatively planning a road trip to visit my sister who has an ID.4 on order for delivery at the end of April. If we do get the cars in the same space, I’ll take some photos and share our mutual impressions.
 

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Seems all VW MEB cars will have V2G enabled starting next year:

This translates (to me) to at least a ~$10k benefit since we have a house that we've been on the fence about adding solar to.

Any word if Polestar might enable this? how much of this is hardware vs software dependent?
I could definitely see switching our current ICE to a V2G enabled compelling BEV, especially for the 2nd car that is less utilized during day times, when it could soak up excess solar electricity.
 

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This is particularly useful for people who own an EV for the tax relief and do a 20 km daily commute to an employer where they can charge for free, and then carry the free energy home to heat the house in the evening. Next day, same trick.
 
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