[polerad]

Copied from reddit:

https://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/artikel/polestar-3-prijzen-en-specificaties-nu-al-bekend/

4.9m long; 2.99m wheelbase; 1.97m wide
484L trunk expanding to 1411L with seats down

DM LR 111 kWh, 610km = 378mi WLTP, guessing ~300mi EPA; 489 hp, 840Nm, € 88,600 (incl taxes?) - maybe $75k USD?
DM Performance 111 kWH, 560lm = 347mi WLTP, guessing ~278mi EPA, 519hp, 910Nm, € 92,200 - maybe $80k USD?

air suspension, B&W audio in those trims;
21" wheels, Brembos on LR spec
22" + upgrades brakes + gold seatbelts in Performance

So honestly....
the Lyriq is similar dimensions and range, but somehow much more cargo volume supposedly (28 cu ft vs 17 cu ft for P*3), will have more hp (>500hp in base dual motor form) and will be $15-20k cheaper and will have the tax credit
the R1S will be bigger, with 3 rows, and more cargo volume; also with air suspension and a supposedly top audio system, and similar/more performance in dual motor form at $84k, upgradable to quad motor, low 3s 0-60 at $90k

that said, it does seem to match up well against the iX (similar pricing, range, etc) and Model X (much more expensive; looks like an egg).

hopefully at full reveal we'll see more of the positives of the Polestar vs its competition.... specifically, I hope that cargo volume spec is an error - as is the EV6 and MachE supposedly has more trunk space!

 

[jkk]

Repeating my comments from elsewhere:

Also at least the performance seems slow, maybe my expectations were wrong but it does seem slow especially considering the head-to-head (according to Polestar) competitor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Cayenne#Cayenne_Turbo_GT

It uses a 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 engine and claimed 0–100 km/h (62 mph) in 3.3secs/0–60 mph (97 km/h) in 3.1secs.

And the electric motor details don't line up with the P10 motor either 🤔

If these are the real specs then it's a massive disappointment, I just cannot see this to be correct and I really, really reaaly reaaaaally hope this is the details of the new Volvo Embla and not Polestar 3...

 

[intheyear2000]

PS2 DMLR 56k€
PS3 DMLR 88k€

That's a 32k€ (or 57%) price difference for what? Slightly bigger trunk and more range? But I suppose it aligns with the pricing of the competitors.

 

[Giraffe]

PS2 DMLR 56k€
PS3 DMLR 88k€

That's a 32k€ (or 57%) price difference for what? Slightly bigger trunk and more range? But I suppose it aligns with the pricing of the competitors.

You will most likely also get more features, a lot more passenger room, more comfort, lower noise levels, higher quality materials. It is competing in a completely different segment.

 

[gray52452]

You will most likely also get more features, a lot more passenger room, more comfort, lower noise levels, higher quality materials. It is competing in a completely different segment.

But will we get next gen carplay? If so I would consider in place of R1T/R1S.

 

[polerad]

But will we get next gen carplay? If so I would consider in place of R1T/R1S.

Is Rivian getting CarPlay at all?

 

[polerad]

Repeating my comments from elsewhere:

Also at least the performance seems slow, maybe my expectations were wrong but it does seem slow especially considering the head-to-head (according to Polestar) competitor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Cayenne#Cayenne_Turbo_GT

And the electric motor details don't line up with the P10 motor either 🤔

If these are the real specs then it's a massive disappointment, I just cannot see this to be correct and I really, really reaaly reaaaaally hope this is the details of the new Volvo Embla and not Polestar 3...

i could see the linear dimensions, range, and pricing as being accurate.

the cargo volume just can’t be accurate given the apparent exterior dimensions. And also would be uncompetitive for the Volvo. That really didn’t make sense.

and the hp/0-60 also does not cohere at all with statements they’ve made in the past.

I’m personally going to hold off on mentally anchoring to this until the actual reveal in October

edit: I could believe the “performance” hp/0-60 specs here for the “long range” trim. That would put it in line with the nonM iX:

2023 BMW iX Review, Pricing, and Specs

Based on the Vision iNext concept that BMW showed back in fall 2018, the 2023 iX is the brand's first all-electric SUV, and it's mighty compelling.

www.caranddriver.com

But with still half the cargo volume!
If these numbers are real then the only thing this ‘suv’ will be useful for compared to the competition is the school drop off run, contrary to prior statements

 

[jkk]

i could see the linear dimensions, range, and pricing as being accurate.

the cargo volume just can’t be accurate given the apparent exterior dimensions. And also would be uncompetitive for the Volvo. That really didn’t make sense.

and the hp/0-60 also does not cohere at all with statements they’ve made in the past.

I’m personally going to hold off on mentally anchoring to this until the actual reveal in October

edit: I could believe the “performance” hp/0-60 specs here for the “long range” trim. That would put it in line with the nonM iX:

2023 BMW iX Review, Pricing, and Specs

Based on the Vision iNext concept that BMW showed back in fall 2018, the 2023 iX is the brand's first all-electric SUV, and it's mighty compelling.

www.caranddriver.com

But with still half the cargo volume!
If these numbers are real then the only thing this ‘suv’ will be useful for compared to the competition is the school drop off run, contrary to prior statements

Pretty much agree with you fully. Good to hear I'm not completely alone in my opinion 😁

 

[Sportstick]

The cargo volume might make sense for a 3 row vehicle with only the 3rd row folded, such as the Embla, but not for a vehicle of similar footprint with only two rows and the rear up or folded.

 

[Magna]

But will we get next gen carplay? If so I would consider in place of R1T/R1S.

Polestar said future Polestar's will get next gen car play, so yes

 

[mxs]

The P3 prices if truly are eye watering to me .… I realize, I am not really Porsche customer or high end Volvo customer either, but are people really willing to pay 30K more for P3 than P2???

What features could possibly account for the difference? Other than slightly bigger size and jacked up right height, perhaps? I know it doesn’t matter as long as people will line up to buy one, I am just purely curious on the given optics, especially when speaking about very young brand.

 

[Magna]

The P3 prices if truly are eye watering to me .… I realize, I am not really Porsche customer or high end Volvo customer either, but are people really willing to pay 30K more for P3 than P2???

What features could possibly account for the difference? Other than slightly bigger size and jacked up right height, perhaps? I know it doesn’t matter as long as people will line up to buy one, I am just purely curious on the given optics, especially when speaking about very young brand.

the PS3 will have NVDA + Luminar LIDAR tech for some self driving features. Lots of radars and other sensors etc will be on it. That's all we know about that. Its expensive equipment. Its going to be a lot more techy/advanced than PS2, they said

 

[mxs]

But I guarantee you it will not be approved for self-driving within the next 10 years … not anytime soon anyway, and probably not even for L3 where you live … so, I am not really sure what the LiDAR will be good for In this car? Better ADAS performance? Maybe …

 

[Magna]

But I guarantee you it will not be approved for self-driving within the next 10 years … not anytime soon anyway, and probably not even for L3 where you live … so, I am not really sure what the LiDAR will be good for In this car? Better ADAS performance? Maybe …

Just like how tesla's collect tons of driving data to improve their self driving/FSD, I'm guessing these upcoming Polestars will do the same. Its allll about how many miles of driving data you can get to reach full self driving capabilities. So yeah, they need the tech to be on their cars and over the years they will improve the self driving by collecting data

 

[mxs]

I doubt that Polestar will use the willing drivers as guinea pigs, like Tesla does … the legal standard under which Volvo/Polestar operate is quite different. They will not go to L3 unless they are legally on the hook, instead of the driver … like MB in Germany I believe.

 

[Magna]

I doubt that Polestar will use the willing drivers as guinea pigs, like Tesla does … the legal standard under which Volvo/Polestar operate is quite different. They will not go to L3 unless they are legally on the hook, instead of the driver … like MB in Germany I believe.

Good point. I think the LIDAR tech will be mainly just highway driving stuff for a long time. I'm sure they will collect data regardless. Then maybe use employees to test drive the cars using any collected data, then after that..idk. Super long process though if they want full self driving. But I'm not even sure if Polestar is trying to reach full self driving, maybe they're happy with L2 or something. I really cant see Polestar using real customers as guinea pigs either. Thats not their style.

 

[polerad]

Pricing wise this is in line with what Volvo does going from, say S60 to XC90, or Audi from A4 to Q8. Big luxe SUV vs compact executive sedan translates to $25-30k depending on options - and the P3 will apparently have top trim options like B&W audio and air suspension as standard.

all that said I’m still taking these leaked details with a hefty grain of salt. The full reveal in October isn’t that far away

 

[mxs]

I hear you …I just don’t know how Polestar can command the same pricing as long standing brands, with a huge following of loyal customers and established service networks pretty much everywhere.

I want them to succeed, no questions about it, but where P2 LRSM price made a lot of sense when compared to what’s out there available in comparison … the P3 has been a bit of different math on my napkin.

 

[PolestarMG]

I'd not believe anything that purports to know pricing at this point. They'll wait as long as possible to lock it based on actual costs and market conditions, and even then it could change (for example, given USA manufacturing, I'd not be surprised to see USA MSRP adjusted to fit just under whatever new threshold is for buyer tax incentives, provided margin remains healthy enough).

 

[Sportstick]

...and the P3 will apparently have top trim options like B&W audio and air suspension as standard.

This will make for interesting cross-shopping with the MB EQE SUV when it reveals at about the same time, and which does not force such content. Not sure I want the future maintenance/repair/non-failsafe issues of an air suspension. I know MB can sort out a standard steel suspension quite well (from early EQE sedan reviews) and wonder if forcing air suspension is Polestar's way to deal with Volvo's historically somewhat harsher (sometimes described as "flinty") suspensions. Just speculation at this time, of course.