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April 2024 consumer reports

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#11 ·
Road test score. M3 - 80. PS2 - 66?????

Nfw

Aaos more distracting than Tesla no button everything on the screen?

Did they get a Elon brain implant?

What's the objective here? Create the totally bland transportation appliance without character?


It reminds me of VW cars always acing any ADAC tests in Germany against any other non German brand. No matter the car. It could have been a red flyer pull cart as long as it was made by VW.
 
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If the P2 interior is “drab, I wonder how they describe the Tesla interior?
CR: "The interior is drab"

CR: : "The Google based infotainment system is extremely distracting". {WTF? :eek: }
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CR stated in their Nov 2023 issue on car "reliability", that a number of cars, including Polestar, Taycan, Lucid, etc were not rated "due to insufficient data". In November 2023, CR's flawed methodology, in trying to assess the reliability of EV cars, resulted in this damning headline: "Consumer Reports found EV's to be 79% less reliable than ICE cars".

Whether it's ignorance on their part, or just an innate bias, I don't see CR as a credible/objective evaluator of EV's. Any EV, and not just Polestar (can't wait to see what they say about the lack of a rear window in the P4....no doubt, head's will EXPLODE...maybe it will get a negative score? :geek: ).

As for this latest CR review - It can not be about reliability (lest they are now contradicting themselves), and is nothing more than one reviewer's subjective opinions...which, given the advanced age of many CR's subscribers, I'm not surprised that CR "reviews" reflect what most of their subscribers prefer. For quite a few years, and even now, CR's reviews of Teslas have been mediocre, at best. Too bland, and not enough chrome and buttons for their taste. :unsure:
 
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Except one is an EV, while the other is a ICE. Apples to oranges. Not to mention that the RAV4 has been in production since 1994. :eek: If Toyota doesn't have it right, by now, they never will.

But regardless of the car, consumers need to look beyond the score, which is a simpletons view of reliability. Look at what issues are repetitive, and serious enough to have resulted in enough complaints to cause recalls, accidents, or even deaths, etc.

Point being - Not all issues are of the same magnitude. But when you see CR's simpleton view of a car's reliability, it often leads to the wrong conclusion.

Known issues over the years with the RAV4.




Potencial fire risk.
"Overall, the most serious problem with the Toyota RAV4 is the latest recall about potential fire risk caused by a short circuit of replacement battery. Other problems may include transmission issues, some minor engine problems on high-mileage cars, and brake issues.

Powertrain and Transmission Issues
RAV4 owners have reported many powertrain-related issues. The problems are automatic transmission, transmission solenoid, and transmission noise issues. Many owners said that their cars jerked or hesitated while attempting to accelerate. The reason is that the transmission is faulty, and the ECM unit is malfunctioning. This issue is mostly found in RAV4 models from 2001 to 2003. [1]

Engine Problems
Toyota RAV4 owners have reported a variety of engine-related issues. Excessive engine oil consumption is one of the most prevalent engine-related problems.

There is also a water pump leak issue, where several owners reported that the pump leaked fluid without warning, sometimes accompanied by loud engine noise. This water pump trouble appears in the Toyota RAV4 as early as 25,000 miles.

Steering system Issues
There have also been complaints about the vehicle’s steering. Many RAV4 owners have complained about annoying clicking noises from the steering column. This usually occurs during a low-speed turn or reverse attempt.
Others reported that the steering wheel may fail while driving, sometimes resulting in crashes [4]. The failure mileage was frequently over 50,000 miles, and the failure occurred on pre-2010 Toyota RAV4 models.

Battery Issues
Many fifth-generation RAV4 owners have complained about battery drain problems, even though their cars were only a few months old. The vehicle must be jump-started if the battery runs out of power. Batteries for cars typically last 3 to 5 years.
There must be something in the RAV4 that is continuously draining the battery, even when it is just sitting idle, based on the numerous reports of RAV4 batteries going dead indefinitely.

Fuel System problems
The fuel system operates in tandem with the engine to drive the SUV forward. However, the system in this vehicle needs improvement. Some RAV4 users claim that the fuel tank warning light will turn on even when the car has more than 4 gallons of fuel left in the tank.

Brake Issues
Brake problems have been reported to the NHTSA by many RAV4 owners. The brakes won’t stop the car if there are bumps in the road. The car jerks, the brake pedal trembles, and it feels like you’re pushing against the air [6].

When this happens, the car has neither warning lights nor sounds. Even after repairs, it is common for a car’s brakes to malfunction again after driving over a rough patch of pavement.
 
#22 ·
Another assessment by Consumer Distorts when they have not even tested the car since 2021 and they ordered the performance package, complained about the ride and didn't even bother to adjust the adjustable suspension. They also tested it in cold weather probably blasting the heat and complained about range. This year they claim BMW makes the most reliable cars....I'm guessing the check cleared 😂. I'm happier with my Polestar 2 single motor than any other car I have owned..... including BMW,Mercedes, Lexus and Saab.....I do wish Saab was still around though.
 
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NOTE: It wasn't too many years ago that most of the Tesla models were last, or close to last. Then miraculously, they jump way up in the standing. Why is that relevant....because I read a comment from the CEO of CR, where he actually took credit for the marked improvent in tesla's "reliability scores. Too funny.

CR likes to believe that they are relevant in improving reliability. Total baloney.

Finally, there's the CR "reliability" ranking from just 3 months ago (November 22, 2023) where EV's (NOT the P2 because they said there was insufficient data) showed to be, and I quote, "79% less reliable than ICE cars". So, 3 months ago there was not enough data on the P2 to rank them, but now there is?
 
#29 ·
Consumer reports likes to claim they are unbiased because they pay for everything they review. I don’t trust a single review from them, they have preferences and it’s obvious to me that’s why I cancelled after buying their recommended products only to regret it.

When I want unbiased reviews of anything I get them from people who bought the product. The internet is full of reviews, just like on this forum! Real life experience some bad, some good but mostly satisfied customers. I love my car, it’s not perfect just like none of the others. I
 
#35 · (Edited)
Of course.

The only point I was making was - Not all flaws are the same, or have the same level of negative impact. A burnt out interior light, for example, is a "flaw", but it should hardly be considered to have the same impact as a failed fuel pump (on a my Jag), oil pump (on my Porsche Cayman), alternator (on my VW Golf), 3 transmission failures (twice on my Honda minivan and once on my Jeep), etc.

There are "nuisance" flaws (which I believe most EV's have, and are related to software issues), while ICE cars have "flaws" that are more mechanical in nature.

CR is primarily aimed at American consumers, who, IMO, are only/mainly interested in how their car "ranks", with little or no consideration/understanding of what the car's issues are. They just want to know whether it ranks better than their neighbor's car. Insanity.

The proliferation of ranking things, in the American culture, is staggering...from rankings of colleges, to rankings of best places to live, to rankings of best vacation spots, to rankings of toasters/cars/golf clubs/refrigerators/stoves/heaters, etc. The list is endless to what the media will try to score, and then rank.

We have become a nation of simpletons.....lead (influenced) by what the media says is best.
 
#42 ·
I have a guy that has been servicing every major brand of washing machine, dishwasher, refrigerator, etc...for over a quarter of a century. He is an independent, and has no allegiance to any company, and will service all of them.

I always get his opinion before I buy any appliance. He's fixed them all, and knows where the inherent problems are...rather than taking the advice from people that really don't know these products very well, and that is especially true for cars.
 
#28 ·
Thoughts on future Polestar suspension and driver seating support....

If Polestar is listening, and have aspirational goals to move closer to Porsche cars...then Polestar needs to offer different levels of suspension stiffness, and include an option for seating that provides much better lateral support to keep the driver from shift in their seat while hard cornering.
 
#39 ·
It is the cheapest in the segment, by far. Some others are double the price, I sure hope to hell they are all better cars. I'm a big guy, and I LOVE the seats. I don't remotely consider it a luxury car. More of a "very nice" car. My Dodge Challenger, Jeep Grand Cherokee were more "luxurious". It really doesn't fit in any of their categories.
 
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