Today I saw a Rivian SUV and it's huge. I thought the price is in line with the P3 but it's twice the size.
P3 vs Rivian R1S
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Today I saw a Rivian SUV and it's huge. I thought the price is in line with the P3 but it's twice the size.
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Having seen the P3 in person, it's a wagon that they absolutely, positively, do not want you to identify it as a wagon, because they want to sell them. But it's a wagon.
The P3 is the V90cc replacement.
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Saw another in the wild. Starting to see them much more frequently.
Can't quite get over the rear 3/4 view.
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Can't quite get over the rear 3/4 view.
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I think the styling was almost entirely based off of old Buick wagons
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That's the - "we really designed a pickup truck, so it's going to look like it has a camper shell on the back." - approach to lazy design. I don't blame them as a startup, you have to make simplifying decisions somewhere to get products launched, but it probably could have done without the silver band under the roofline which just seems to exaggerate the weirdness at the rear end.
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Exactly. Because in this country no one will buy a wagon, but they'll buy anything that's called a xUV. The sad part is that most SUVs/CUVs/whatever are less practical and less efficient than a wagon.
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because it's the closest thing we have to mass transit in the US
Did a R1S demo drive this morning
and cancelled my deposit.
In addition to it being questionable if we really need that big a car, the Rivian ride was plainly unsettled.
We’re used to the firm ride of our Polestars, one of which is a Perf Pack. The R1S (on 22” sport wheels admittedly) was bumpy and jiggly in ways that just didn’t make sense with an air suspension.
And it’s infotainment setup is too Tesla like for us.
it had great space and features that would be awesome if we were more outdoorsy. And I much preferred driving it than the Model X we Turo-ed recently.
but given we were on the fence for getting a big car anyway just doesn’t make sense to go for it for us.
Long story short if the EX90 and Polestar 3 have a more settled ride they can easily outcompete the R1S
and cancelled my deposit.
In addition to it being questionable if we really need that big a car, the Rivian ride was plainly unsettled.
We’re used to the firm ride of our Polestars, one of which is a Perf Pack. The R1S (on 22” sport wheels admittedly) was bumpy and jiggly in ways that just didn’t make sense with an air suspension.
And it’s infotainment setup is too Tesla like for us.
it had great space and features that would be awesome if we were more outdoorsy. And I much preferred driving it than the Model X we Turo-ed recently.
but given we were on the fence for getting a big car anyway just doesn’t make sense to go for it for us.
Long story short if the EX90 and Polestar 3 have a more settled ride they can easily outcompete the R1S
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Yeah, I drove another R1T (my third I think) and came to this conclusion. It rides like a $35k truck imo and I've heard the R1S is even less sorted than the R1T.
Just wasn't worth the money for me.
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My understanding is that the R1S is built on the same truck platform. No surprise then that it rides like a truck. When I was looking for an SUV I compared the Ford Explorer to the Dodge Durango and there was no comparison. The Ford was built on a truck base while the Dodge was built on the car-like MB GL chassis. The Dodge drove like a big MB car 🙂
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It is, but the R1T is hardly a traditional truck platform. In my opinion it should ride MUCH better. 4 wheel independent air suspension and unibody should make it feel as good as the best SUVs in my opinion.
And per online reviews the R1T rides significantly better than the R1S.
can’t be sure but it seems like the lions share of development and tuning went into the R1T, not the R1S.
there are enough truck buyers out there that maybe that’s the right call business wise. Just seems like the EV9/Ioniq7, EX90, and ID.Buzz will be better buys for folks that want an EV 3 row car and Rivian is kinda ceding that market if this is how they’re tuning their SUV.
can’t be sure but it seems like the lions share of development and tuning went into the R1T, not the R1S.
there are enough truck buyers out there that maybe that’s the right call business wise. Just seems like the EV9/Ioniq7, EX90, and ID.Buzz will be better buys for folks that want an EV 3 row car and Rivian is kinda ceding that market if this is how they’re tuning their SUV.
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Polestar tires probably last more than 6k miles
The conserve setting on the rivians apparently puts the suspension in a setting that's horrible on tire life. Suspension with as much adjustable height as the rivians make it hard to have good alignment settings along the whole range of height.
The conserve setting on the rivians apparently puts the suspension in a setting that's horrible on tire life. Suspension with as much adjustable height as the rivians make it hard to have good alignment settings along the whole range of height.
Funny you mention the ride quality with the air suspension...I believe my wife's 2023 Acura MDX Type S Advanced(with full air suspension) rides really weird. It's overly bouncy, almost like there is not enough shock dampening to control the "bounce" of the air suspension. No matter what ride mode it's in, I don't like it.
yeah, seems their conserve mode is to make it FWD, so those poor tires are handling accel/decel of a massively heavy car. Given their motors are synchronous permanent (I believe?) not sure why not just reduce each motor output by 50% instead of putting it all on 2/4 tires.
Wonder how Polestar/Hyundai/Kia/Tesla cars fare with a similar setup where there's a single axle disconnect in conserve mode?
Good point. I've wondered why Polestar doesn't seem to like air suspensions (nothing on P2; not included on P4 even though platform cousin Zeekr001 offers it) - maybe this is part of the reason. Will be interesting to compare ride quality and handling of the P3 with air suspension standard vs P4 that doesn't have it at all (although they're on different platforms/chassis so not a direct comparison).
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