[spacelord]

It's just a design thing. Look at zeekr. Same car - almost the same shape and space in the rear - normal boot and window.

Some fancy designer decided it would be cool and "innovative". No matter of practicality. Happens so often. It would even be more spacious with the rear window as the inner boot cover steals couple of centimeters

 

[Giove]

My sister is a paramedic - drives an ambulance day to day. She got in my car to give it a spin and the first thing she said was 'how do you turn that bloody thing off, it's really distracting, I'm used to just using the wing mirrors!'

well, that is not "good" either.
that's why trucks have blind angles mirrors, exactly because the wing mirrors setting you use in a vehicle with no central mirror is totally different from the setting you should use in cars.

i think the last video of "whatcar" points out that tthis solution is "not generally better" than having a window and a mirror.
i must say that if the rear visibility is the same than in the P2, then give me a camera.
i really can't understand why they couldn't fix collapsable headrests...

 

[jasiano]

My sister is a paramedic - drives an ambulance day to day. She got in my car to give it a spin and the first thing she said was 'how do you turn that bloody thing off, it's really distracting, I'm used to just using the wing mirrors!'

The whole 'no rear window' thing really is absolutely a non issue for an entire swathe of the population who never drive a vehicle that even has a rear view mirror, let alone a window at the back.

It's amazing that so much fuss has been made about it. Certainly makes the car newsworthy though... almost as if it was deliberate

Yeah I’m with you. Not saying a rear window is bad or unnecessary but not having one has not been an issue for me at all and the fuss about it is probably exactly what Polestar were looking for.

whether people like it as a design choice though is all personal preference, just like everything else in a car from the front bumper to the wheels to the shape of the doors to interior….

 

[Patrick C]

I found this one to be a bit unfair. Where I have had rear and 360deg parking cameras together in the centre screen I’ve never used the rear mirror to reverse, and always used the parking sensor audio beeps for distance. Also no real mention of reduced rear visibility from typical rear mirrors if you have remotely adult height people in the back (even in taller SUVs)..
Time will tell if Polestar are ahead of their time. That pink Jaguar concept also had no rear window.

 

[LeStar]

The "no rear window is not a problem" by some is same as "no stalks or gear switch is not a problem" by some Tesla fans.
Most people think it is a problem. Polestar could have had this exact rear view mirror and a window at the back like all other cars. They just did this to be quirky, but it is just a poor design choice. The only reason it is there is because of the designers ego. Don't believe their explanations for more space in the rear, the Zeekr 001 and many other cars have same room.

 

[nbvolks]

The "no rear window is not a problem" by some is same as "no stalks or gear switch is not a problem" by some Tesla fans.
Most people think it is a problem. Polestar could have had this exact rear view mirror and a window at the back like all other cars. They just did this to be quirky, but it is just a poor design choice. The only reason it is there is because of the designers ego. Don't believe their explanations for more space in the rear, the Zeekr 001 and many other cars have same room.

Sure, they could have put a piece of glass back there. But once you've sat in one, you realize how absolutely unusable that glass would be.

 

[Oenonee]

I don't miss the glass to be honest, the camera is fine. It's just a different way to make a car. For good and bad. I admit depth perception is odd but it passes the "Is there anything behind me?" test when driving and the cameras are great for parking and manoeuvring.

It has better visibility then our old Audi Q4, plus better cameras and tech for parking.

 

[LeStar]

Sure, they could have put a piece of glass back there. But once you've sat in one, you realize how absolutely unusable that glass would be.

Why, it is not unusable in Zeekr, or ID7 or a multitude of similar cars. They designed it in this way just to be quirky, it serves no purpose other than being a talking point. They thought it would take the Tesla route where any odd and quirky solution is good, but the vast majority sees it as a negative.

You can see it is a negative because it does not sell very well.

 

[jonspolestar]

Why, it is not unusable in Zeekr, or ID7 or a multitude of similar cars. They designed it in this way just to be quirky, it serves no purpose other than being a talking point. They thought it would take the Tesla route where any odd and quirky solution is good, but the vast majority sees it as a negative.

You can see it is a negative because it does not sell very well.

All personal preference it seems as to looks and use. Personally I test drove a LRSM twice after ordering the car online. I got used to the lack of a rear window very quickly as I couldn’t see much out of my windowed PS2 that I owned at the time on any event. Quirky or not, it actually appears to work well and did not change my mind on continuing with the order.

 

[nbvolks]

Why, it is not unusable in Zeekr, or ID7 or a multitude of similar cars. They designed it in this way just to be quirky, it serves no purpose other than being a talking point. They thought it would take the Tesla route where any odd and quirky solution is good, but the vast majority sees it as a negative.

You can see it is a negative because it does not sell very well.

The Zeekr 001 has a completely different support structure for the c-pilar, roof section, and rear hatch.

Polestar 4:

Zeekr 001:

In those two pictures, do you see where the headrests are relative to the small side window, then note the much smaller sunroof on the Zeekr 001, because the support structure is over the headrests on the Zeekr 001. Whereas on the Polestar 4 that structure is pushed behind and down relative to the headrests. This then also pushes the entire hatch door back and lower.

This becomes even more obvious when viewing both with the hatch open:

Polestar 4:

Zeekr 001:

Look at the difference in space just between that center headrest and the high point in the hatch opening in both cars.

Again, having actually been in a P4, the space where the window would be, is below the headrests of the back seat.

 

[LeStar]

All personal preference it seems as to looks and use. Personally I test drove a LRSM twice after ordering the car online. I got used to the lack of a rear window very quickly as I couldn’t see much out of my windowed PS2 that I owned at the time on any event. Quirky or not, it actually appears to work well and did not change my mind on continuing with the order.

I never said it would not have any buyers. Just that it was done for the sole purpose of being different. It doesn’t serve a purpose other than design.

 

[LeStar]

The Zeekr 001 has a completely different support structure for the c-pilar, roof section, and rear hatch.

Polestar 4:
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Zeekr 001:
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In those two pictures, do you see where the headrests are relative to the small side window, then note the much smaller sunroof on the Zeekr 001, because the support structure is over the headrests on the Zeekr 001. Whereas on the Polestar 4 that structure is pushed behind and down relative to the headrests. This then also pushes the entire hatch door back and lower.

This becomes even more obvious when viewing both with the hatch open:

Polestar 4:
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Zeekr 001:

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Look at the difference in space just between that center headrest and the high point in the hatch opening in both cars.

Again, having actually been in a P4, the space where the window would be, is below the headrests of the back seat.

I did not say they were exactly the same. I just said there is no positive with polestar design. They solved a problem that does not exist. There is no more room. The sunroof can go some centimeter further back, pointless when removing rear window to do that.

 

[nbvolks]

I did not say they were exactly the same. I just said there is no positive with polestar design. They solved a problem that does not exist. There is no more room. The sunroof can go some centimeter further back, pointless when removing rear window to do that.

You were responding to me, where I said simply adding a piece of glass back there would not suddenly resolve the issue. You were pointing to it "working" on the Zeekr, but it's important to point out that the Zeekr is physically different in that key area.

And also, I'm sorry, but why are you on this or the Swedespeed site? On both you're exactly the same way. You don't own a Volvo or Polestar. You've never created a thread on either site. All of your posts are purposefully negative and antagonistic, and on more than one occasion; completely contradictory. On both sites there's a near constant through-line, and that's Tesla. You talk incessantly about Tesla. Sometimes good, sometimes bad, but always Tesla. Are you a Tesla plant?

 

[LeStar]

You were responding to me, where I said simply adding a piece of glass back there would not suddenly resolve the issue. You were pointing to it "working" on the Zeekr, but it's important to point out that the Zeekr is physically different in that key area.

And also, I'm sorry, but why are you on this or the Swedespeed site? On both you're exactly the same way. You don't own a Volvo or Polestar. You've never created a thread on either site. All of your posts are purposefully negative and antagonistic, and on more than one occasion; completely contradictory. On both sites there's a near constant through-line, and that's Tesla. You talk incessantly about Tesla. Sometimes good, sometimes bad, but always Tesla. Are you a Tesla plant?

Ehh you have no idea what I own. I called you out and you get this mad. Sorry that this is not a safe space for you with only hallelujah Polestar.
The Polestar 4 design choice of no rear window serves no purpose, it is just a fact, it hurts sales. Just accept it and move on.

 

[nbvolks]

Ehh you have no idea what I own. I called you out and you get this mad. Sorry that this is not a safe space for you with only hallelujah Polestar.
The Polestar 4 design choice of no rear window serves no purpose, it is just a fact, it hurts sales. Just accept it and move on.

You're the one on two sites, where you joined around the same time, and yet own neither brand. You joined both and almost immediately began bashing exclusively the EV offerings of those brands.

You don't own them, and you're clearly constantly trying to push people away from them....yet here you are. So, I'm sorry, which one of us needs to "move on"?

 

[LeStar]

You're the one on two sites, where you joined around the same time, and yet own neither brand. You joined both and almost immediately began bashing exclusively the EV offerings of those brands.

You don't own them, and you're clearly constantly trying to push people away from them....yet here you are. So, I'm sorry, which one of us needs to "move on"?

Once again assuming what I own, very poor way of making an argument.
I get it, you got upset when I called out your post comparing Polestar and Zeekr. But that does not give you any right to pretend to know what I own, or dictate what I can write based on that or any other assumption, or saying my posts are purposely negative or antagonistic, or contradictory or that I am a Tesla plant.

You should take a deep breath. All I said is that there were no other reason for Polestar 4 lack of rear window than being quirky. This made you go ballistic for some reason.

In two weeks we might very well get the news that Polestar of today is history. And one reason for this is the poor sales, and one reason for poor sales of Polestar 4 is this lack of rear window. I know more than a few who would not even consider it because of this when looking at a new EV. But you are clearly not interested in this, only praising the car is allowed.

Bye.

 

[Giove]

one reason for poor sales of Polestar 4 is this lack of rear window

i wouldn't go this far. i don't think that this choice has a significant weight in purchase.
for sure there's a lot of people that will not consider this car because of the lack of rear windows (and i'm specifically thinking to animals owners), but for many others is something thrown in the mix.
i think that this may become a larger problem when you lack physical dealer that let you drive and try if this solution is significantly impacting, for example.
it's a problem when you position yourself with an obscure brand just a few grands away from social signaling worthy European brands, well established and known for after sales presence.

but i agree with when you say that

They solved a problem that does not exist. There is no more room. The sunroof can go some centimeter further back, pointless when removing rear window to do that.

china is not the whole world.
there the experience in rear seats is very important, and having those few centimeters of glass may be a good idea, but everywhere else the cars are driven.
i've sat on the P3 and P4 and with both i've had the impression that they were more beautiful while sitting in the rear than in the front.
they went with stupid UI/UX choices like the "everything through the display" as teslas without having the hype and cult adepts of teslas and in a moment where more and more customers are realising that physical controls are good.

but in general and besides obvious teething problems with software, i haven't heard of unexpectedly harsh comments on P3s and P4s.
Polestars in general are good cars.
i think the main problem is that they still have a brand recognition to build.
people just do not know they exist.
haven't seen tv ads, they don't have dealers, they don't have billboard ads campaigns, they don't have the name on the back of the cars so people seeing and liking them can't make a quick search on google for them.
i live in Norway and there Polestar presence is well rooted, the P2 is sold in numbers that are similar to the BMW 3 series in other countries. when i'm Europe i constantly have questions about what car is it, "do they sell it here as well?".
that is a bad question if you're trying to sell cars.

understatement is good, but obscurity may hurt sales.

 

[LeStar]

i wouldn't go this far. i don't think that this choice has a significant weight in purchase.
for sure there's a lot of people that will not consider this car because of the lack of rear windows (and i'm specifically thinking to animals owners), but for many others is something thrown in the mix.
i think that this may become a larger problem when you lack physical dealer that let you drive and try if this solution is significantly impacting, for example.
it's a problem when you position yourself with an obscure brand just a few grands away from social signaling worthy European brands, well established and known for after sales presence.

but i agree with when you say that



china is not the whole world.
there the experience in rear seats is very important, and having those few centimeters of glass may be a good idea, but everywhere else the cars are driven.
i've sat on the P3 and P4 and with both i've had the impression that they were more beautiful while sitting in the rear than in the front.
they went with stupid UI/UX choices like the "everything through the display" as teslas without having the hype and cult adepts of teslas and in a moment where more and more customers are realising that physical controls are good.

but in general and besides obvious teething problems with software, i haven't heard of unexpectedly harsh comments on P3s and P4s.
Polestars in general are good cars.
i think the main problem is that they still have a brand recognition to build.
people just do not know they exist.
haven't seen tv ads, they don't have dealers, they don't have billboard ads campaigns, they don't have the name on the back of the cars so people seeing and liking them can't make a quick search on google for them.
i live in Norway and there Polestar presence is well rooted, the P2 is sold in numbers that are similar to the BMW 3 series in other countries. when i'm Europe i constantly have questions about what car is it, "do they sell it here as well?".
that is a bad question if you're trying to sell cars.

understatement is good, but obscurity may hurt sales.

There are of course many things making someone not buying a car. But I know many who did not even put the P4 on their list because they simply did not want a car with no rear window when Polestar can’t say what the purpose for this is. I think it turns off many, not only they don’t like the novelty, but now they are dependent on tech. I know many who would never put Tesla on the list for same reason, but Polestar can’t afford being quirky like Tesla.

There has been some harsh criticism from this forum alone on the new models, seems to be something new everyday. Polestar was a huge brand in Norway, two years ago they sold 1200 cars in December, current December they will sell 40 P4. It is not lack of brand recognition for these poor sales. Do you know why Polestar fell flat in Norway?

 

[Haulr]

But I know many who did not even put the P4 on their list because they simply did not want a car with no rear window when Polestar can’t say what the purpose for this is.

I think it's kind of a good idea - this way you don't have to worry about hiding stuff under the (glass of the) hatch. but yeah, that's the kind of neighborhood I live in.

 

[DAVENN]

Having ordered a P*4 without even driving one, I will soon find out if that was a daft plan.
However, i really do like the idea of no real window.
I find that tailgating drivers get quite upset when you question their utter idiocy via the rear view mirror...and give the windscreen a bit of a wash, with one jet firing over the screen.
With no rear window...how will they ever know?