[polerad]

Launching in North America with native NACS would definitely help change the game but the real game changer would be to ship with dual ports. NACS on the left and CCS on the right. That would give buyers confidence that they can use any charger and no additional cumbersome adapters would be needed. Just plug it in.

Could I then spec the car with a single port and save the substantial amount of $$ per car that it would take to implement this solution that a ~$100 adapter nearly equally solves without a revamp of the car's platform and the additional weight for the port and its cabling, plus compute architecture to mediate between each port?

 

[Jupiter7]

Could I then spec the car with a single port and save the substantial amount of $$ per car that it would take to implement this solution that a ~$100 adapter nearly equally solves without a revamp of the car's platform and the additional weight for the port and its cabling, plus compute architecture to mediate between each port?

Personally I charge at home more than 90% of the time… and if I bought a new car with NACS, I’d have to use an adapter at home…

 

[polerad]

Personally I charge at home more than 90% of the time… and if I bought a new car with NACS, I’d have to use an adapter at home…

Depending on what home charger you have, switching out the cable/port on the charger for the car(s) you have is a 10 min job with a $200 cable:

NACS Cable Kit | ChargePoint

www.chargepoint.com

[that $200 is such a scam... maybe the copper pushes the cost to like $50-75; but that's easily 50-60% profit margin]

Or... just use the OEM provided adapter like many Tesla drivers do right now all the time when level 2 charging.

 

[DS9]

Or... just use the OEM provided adapter like many Tesla drivers do right now all the time when level 2 charging.

iirc I spent $50 for an additional oem adapter

 

[18309]

The Porsche Macan has two charging ports, one on each side. Having choice and flexibility is a luxury. Luxury cars should make the driving experience easier and more enjoyable.

Having to use dongles/adapters creates friction and does little to alleviate charge/range anxiety for non-EV drivers who are considering buying an EV because when they go to a gas station they don't need adapters or need to worry about reaching certain stations that have a pump which fits their car. They just drive up to any station and stick the pump in without any hassle. Charging should be that easy. Some day when everyone is on NACS or whatever the next new thing is, it might be that easy but until then a simple and relatively low-cost way to reduce friction and give owners a more enjoyable ownership experience would be to build a car with both a NACS port and a CCS port.

In a perfect world, charging would be done wirelessly as it should be but we just aren't there yet.

 

[kenny_7449]

So America didn’t adopt the CCS Type 2 port?

 

[18309]

So America didn’t adopt the CCS Type 2 port?

CCS1 in North America and the NACS port, which is now called the J3400, because someone decided we needed more obscure names for things 🤣

 

[kenny_7449]

CCS1 in North America and the NACS port, which is now called the J3400, because someone decided we needed more obscure names for things 🤣

My i4 has only one port and never felt it odd not having two but then again we don’t need two over here like you do. Wouldn’t be like America to not want to be different to everyone else and make life awkward now would it. 🤪

 

[NotAPolestarForumEmp]

The Porsche Macan has two charging ports, one on each side. Having choice and flexibility is a luxury. Luxury cars should make the driving experience easier and more enjoyable.

Having to use dongles/adapters creates friction and does little to alleviate charge/range anxiety for non-EV drivers who are considering buying an EV because when they go to a gas station they don't need adapters or need to worry about reaching certain stations that have a pump which fits their car. They just drive up to any station and stick the pump in without any hassle. Charging should be that easy. Some day when everyone is on NACS or whatever the next new thing is, it might be that easy but until then a simple and relatively low-cost way to reduce friction and give owners a more enjoyable ownership experience would be to build a car with both a NACS port and a CCS port.

In a perfect world, charging would be done wirelessly as it should be but we just aren't there yet.

Macan's two charging ports are not CCS and NACS. One is for fast charging and home charging and the other is only for home charging.

 

[18309]

Macan's two charging ports are not CCS and NACS. One is for fast charging and home charging and the other is only for home charging.

That's correct. I wasn't suggesting the Macan had a NACS port, merely that it has two charging ports.

 

[ILoveATitleDrop]

Cross shopping the P4 with the GV60 performance. Honestly unsure at this point - the GV60 frankly feels like the better choice given how long it’s taken polestar to get their act together. However, I still have a massive soft spot for Volvo-related things and the P4 looks absolutely gorgeous to me. I think the pricing is the major barrier - assuming USD and GBP pricing is approximately one-to-one, I don’t think the P4 justifies its ~$5k premium over the GV60? Time will tell…

 

[nbvolks]

Cross shopping the P4 with the GV60 performance. Honestly unsure at this point - the GV60 frankly feels like the better choice given how long it’s taken polestar to get their act together. However, I still have a massive soft spot for Volvo-related things and the P4 looks absolutely gorgeous to me. I think the pricing is the major barrier - assuming USD and GBP pricing is approximately one-to-one, I don’t think the P4 justifies its ~$5k premium over the GV60? Time will tell…

The GV60 Performance is smaller, inside and out. Offers the same 0-60 time, but has significantly less range.

 

[jankowja]

I'm sold, loving the features, tech and design for an attractive price point.

I was comparing our current Audi Q4 (but the 2024 model) and it would need £5,245.00 of extras for a price point of £58,540 to compare (partly) to the standard 4 at £59,990.

Once you factor in all the additional stuff on the 4 plus the range, speed, tech - there's no comparison imho.

Yeah, I’ve always loved Audi’s. Have been my choice of cars prior to Polestar 2. I did test drive the Q4. It was very sluggish and I was disappointed with the interior design. It felt cheap with a lot of shiny plastic, unlike their other models. Thus I went with Polestar.

 

[ILoveATitleDrop]

The GV60 Performance is smaller, inside and out. Offers the same 0-60 time, but has significantly less range.

So at least based on the Edmund’s tests the GV60 performance has comparable range in the mid/high 200s. Also faster charging, luxury level service, genuinely great interior quality, and a true adaptive air suspension. Having actually test drove one - it’s a serious contender for me.

… but I want to love and support the Polestar 4 so much. It looks like sex on wheels. Most of tech is outstanding (although I’d prefer more tactile buttons and air suspension). If I’m dropping $70k+ on a vehicle I want to genuinely LOVE the thing. I’m tired of compromises. I pray that I can test drive one and fall in love with it and forget about the GV60

 

[DS9]

The GV60 Performance is smaller, inside and out. Offers the same 0-60 time, but has significantly less range.

It has significantly less EPA range. Before it got cold here, my wife was consistently getting ~ 280 mixed driving miles in hers.

 

[Venom21]

I still don't understand how its so inefficient. 100kWh pack, aero-optimized design, and the SM still can't break 500km EPA. 482kms from a coupe-SUV thing with 270hp is just bad.

 

[NotAPolestarForumEmp]

I still don't understand how its so inefficient. 100kWh pack, aero-optimized design, and the SM still can't break 500km EPA. 482kms from a coupe-SUV thing with 270hp is just bad.

I really hope the range is underrated because you are right. It’s really quite strange why it’s so low.

 

[NotAPolestarForumEmp]

I'm sold, loving the features, tech and design for an attractive price point.

I was comparing our current Audi Q4 (but the 2024 model) and it would need £5,245.00 of extras for a price point of £58,540 to compare (partly) to the standard 4 at £59,990.

Once you factor in all the additional stuff on the 4 plus the range, speed, tech - there's no comparison imho.

Comparing the Polestar 4 DM and BMW i5 M60 on their UK configurators, the PS4 is around 30k cheaper for similar specs. This seems like quite a good price.

 

[Jupiter7]

I really hope the range is underrated because you are right. It’s really quite strange why it’s so low.

Me too… I just saw an Out of Spec road test of a prototype next gen Taycan where they drove 250 miles at 50mph (400 km at 80kph) and used 49% of the battery… and the epa range rating is done at speeds like 45 mph.

 

[NotAPolestarForumEmp]

Me too… I just saw an Out of Spec road test of a prototype next gen Taycan where they drove 250 miles at 50mph (400 km at 80kph) and used 49% of the battery… and the epa range rating is done at speeds like 45 mph.

Woah that looks like a really good range. Porsche is REALLY addressing the taycans main weakness.