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which version of Orin ?

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1.1K views 21 replies 8 participants last post by  Haulr  
#1 ·
Does anyone have any details regarding which version of Orin is coming our way? If TOPs (tera-operations / second) is the key metric, then I've found 11 versions of Orin w/ ratings from 20 to 275 TOPs and similarly wide ranges of clock speed, number of various cores, GPU's and numerous other specifications that might have made sense to me if I had stayed in computer engineering.

More tellingly, even if we do have access to the specific chip model, does anyone know what version of Xavier is currently in our cars? Just comparing the marketing names is nowhere near enough information to get a feel for what change in performance is actually being made.
 
#18 ·
Issue a big slug of subordinated convertible debt to the extent allowed in the senior credit agreements would be one way. I am speculating since we have no access to those agreements.
Interesting. thanks.

I had to look it up: "Subordinated convertible debt is a debt security that is subordinate to other, more senior debt and can be converted into the company's stock at the investor's option. This hybrid instrument carries higher risk than senior debt due to its lower priority in a liquidation but offers investors the potential for equity-like returns. For startups, it's a popular way to raise capital by avoiding complex equity valuation negotiations and allowing founders to maintain control "

so it would seem that one way forward is for Geely to double-down on the Polestar bet. And this makes me better appreciate your earlier statement as well:

If the 5 and 7 fail to launch, they’re done. Dead,dead.
I may be able to better understand just why Volvo is a key player here too. They have invested billions into SPA-3. So now they need to build as many SPA-3 cars as possible. And from Volvo's point of view, it may not matter whether they are Volvo or Polestar branded. Polestar is just another method to sell more cars out of Volvo factories.
 
#19 ·
Interesting. thanks.

I had to look it up: "Subordinated convertible debt is a debt security that is subordinate to other, more senior debt and can be converted into the company's stock at the investor's option. This hybrid instrument carries higher risk than senior debt due to its lower priority in a liquidation but offers investors the potential for equity-like returns. For startups, it's a popular way to raise capital by avoiding complex equity valuation negotiations and allowing founders to maintain control "

so it would seem that one way forward is for Geely to double-down on the Polestar bet. And this makes me better appreciate your earlier statement as well:



I may be able to better understand just why Volvo is a key player here too. They have invested billions into SPA-3. So now they need to build as many SPA-3 cars as possible. And from Volvo's point of view, it may not matter whether they are Volvo or Polestar branded. Polestar is just another method to sell more cars out of Volvo factories.
But Volvo wants their 15-20% margin and then Polestar wants the same. It’s a win for everyone if they cut out the middle man and have Volvo own the brand and sell the cars directly.