[V60P*]

It’s been very quiet regarding when the MY26 will appear on the website, and more importantly, what changes are in store. We’ve been teased about 800v, NACS for NA market, Orin, and a few other features based on Volvo evolution. Does anyone have any new updates on what’s coming?

Sales in Canada said late 2026 availability. 25 DM models are getting blown out at crazy 1 year lease now.

"Polestar 3 with a retail value of $102,250. 0% lease APR for 12 months. Monthly payment is $655 (CAD)and includes $2,800 freight and PDI, $1,600 optional paint colour, $1,500 for 21" Plus wheels, "

 

[Venom21]

To put that in perspective, that's cheaper than the minimum lease for a Kia Niro EV LOL. That's how bad its selling up here.

 

[JCDDOME]

The publication shows 480 N-m torque = 354 lb-ft so basically no change.

I think it might be a small change - but my understanding is that the tradeoff between voltage and torque isn't straightforward. so I'd be curious to know what the 800V DC car pushes out as AC voltage to the motor. perhaps it is similar?

Thermal dynamics are improved with lower currents that create less heat for same and higher output which requires less battery management and increased efficiency (reduced heat leads to less energy loss during charging and discharging among several efficiency benefits)….doesnt change motor output for HP/Torque.

 

[Haulr]

Okay. Here's a Dutch document. it looks like there will be a new smaller battery option:

• small battery. 92 kWh - 310 kW peak charging.
• big battery. 106 kWh - 350 kW peak charging.

Three - pretty distinct - levels of power:

• RWD: 333 hp. 375 miles range.
• AWD: 544 hp. 395 miles range.
• AWD Performance Prime (hate that name - let's do BST instead - or just PP): 680 hp. 368 miles range (WLTP cycle)

and at least one new color - for the BST anyway.

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[Haulr]

Thermal dynamics are improved with lower currents that create less heat for same and higher output which requires less battery management and increased efficiency (reduced heat leads to less energy loss during charging and discharging among several efficiency benefits)….doesnt change motor output for HP/Torque.

nope. not higher output, because for motors it appears that current is what matters. so if you double the voltage, you halve the current. therefore, forget ohms law, because it's the magnetic field that matters. half the current gives half the magnetic field. so you would need to double the number of wraps in the motor to equal the same magnetic field with twice the voltage (for example).

at least that's how I understand it.

 

[Jupiter7]

Interesting… looks like the days of the RWD being the range leader is ending if they only put the smaller battery in the RWD and the larger battery in the AWD?

 

[Haulr]

Interesting… looks like the days of the RWD being the range leader is ending if they only put the smaller battery in the RWD and the larger battery in the AWD?

that's right. but its efficiency is better. and I guess it will be less expensive too.

• RWD. 17.6 kWh/100km. 92 kWh battery pack. 604 km range.
• AWD. 19.2 kWh/100km. 106 kWh battery pack. 635 km range.

edit: and I think you can option up the RWD for the air suspension too.

also. both cars reportedly charge 10% to 80% in 17 minutes (so that's ripping). The question is what is the 10% to 80% time when plugged into a 400V charger? Note that the 800V ES90 does not currently support split pack charging. And if the MY26 P3 does not either - bummer. In this case, it could be that the 800V car would be inferior to the 400V car - given the charging infrastructure available in North America anyway.

 

[hevem]

It all aligns with the choices made for the ES90 and it makes a lot of sense. The P3 is often praised for it’s ride quality but it just can’t compete on price. Making the battery smaller allows for a substantial price reduction. Which is what the car really needs to make it sell in serious quantities. Then if you offer air suspension on the cheaper model you definitely have something that is very competitive in terms of design, driving characteristics and price.
The RWD ES90 comes in relatively cheap and so should the RWD P3.

Yes it will harm the residual value of our cars but that is not uncommon with EVs. The real harm would be the car failing as a commercial success and that might be avoided by offering a cheaper 800V, RWD version. A smart move if you ask me.

 

[BigFoot]

nope. not higher output, because for motors it appears that current is what matters. so if you double the voltage, you halve the current. therefore, forget ohms law, because it's the magnetic field that matters. half the current gives half the magnetic field. so you would need to double the number of wraps in the motor to equal the same magnetic field with twice the voltage (for example).

at least that's how I understand it.

If you double the voltage and keep the impedance the same, you will double the current

 

[Jupiter7]

If you double the voltage and keep the impedance the same, you will double the current

Ohm’s law says current is directly proportional to voltage and inversely proportional to impedance (I = V/Z). Therefore, if the voltage is doubled (V becomes 2V) and the impedance (Z) remains constant, the current (I) will also be doubled (I becomes 2I).

 

[Haulr]

Ohm’s law says current is directly proportional to voltage and inversely proportional to impedance (I = V/Z). Therefore, if the voltage is doubled (V becomes 2V) and the impedance (Z) remains constant, the current (I) will also be doubled (I becomes 2I).

yeah. but do you think the impedance remains constant within a motor of changing voltage? I began this discussion with "it's not clear to me" and I meant it. lol. but..

pretty much all EV's have an inverter that produces three phase AC power for the motor. My understanding is that it's not a simple ohm's law tradeoff for a motor - because magnetic power is the goal here.

If you double the voltage and keep the impedance the same, you will double the current

pretty sure that if you want to keep the impedance the same, you need to bump up the windings. this is why ohm's law doesn't give a simple answer - for an electric motor anyway.

that said. I have heard that the MY26 car has lighter motors. so something has changed. but would a lighter motor have more windings - or fewer? or are they more or less the same but just made better. my guess: With an 800V battery the inverter may indeed be more efficient - and hence lighter. but I also suspect the motor itself - and it's operating voltage range - may not be substantially different than the 400V car. still. just a wild-ass-guess on my part.

it would be interesting to know for sure.

 

[BigFoot]

yeah. but do you think the impedance remains constant within a motor of changing voltage? I began this discussion with "it's not clear to me" and I meant it. lol. but..

pretty much all EV's have an inverter that produces three phase AC power for the motor. My understanding is that it's not a simple ohm's law tradeoff for a motor - because magnetic power is the goal here.


pretty sure that if you want to keep the impedance the same, you need to bump up the windings. this is why ohm's law doesn't give a simple answer - for an electric motor anyway.

that said. I have heard that the MY26 car has lighter motors. so something has changed. but would a lighter motor have more windings - or fewer? or are they more or less the same but just made better. my guess: With an 800V battery the inverter may indeed be more efficient - and hence lighter. but I also suspect the motor itself - and it's operating voltage range - may not be substantially different than the 400V car. still. just a wild-ass-guess on my part.

it would be interesting to know for sure.

If you want a higher current, then you will likely need a larger cross section cable, which will decrease the resistance for the same length of coil. Increasing the number of turns would increase the resistance and inductance (impedance then depends upon frequency). The metal used in the motor might also change the induction and impedance.

 

[smartino]

I was at the Columbus OH service center yesterday getting the wiring harness recall work done. I was talking to the Polestar sales consultant and he indicated that there won’t be a MY26 since they have so many MY25s in inventory. Instead they will jump right to MY27 and those will be out around June 2026.

 

[Haulr]

I was at the Columbus OH service center yesterday getting the wiring harness recall work done. I was talking to the Polestar sales consultant and he indicated that there won’t be a MY26 since they have so many MY25s in inventory. Instead they will jump right to MY27 and those will be out around June 2026.

I didn't want to be an early adopter anyway.. 😢

 

[Haulr]

If you want a higher current, then you will likely need a larger cross section cable, which will decrease the resistance for the same length of coil. Increasing the number of turns would increase the resistance and inductance (impedance then depends upon frequency). The metal used in the motor might also change the induction and impedance.

just for fun - this is what an 800V Lucid motor cross-section looks like:

those are some pretty fat looking coils. but also plenty of them.

I think these are what the turns inside a 400V tesla look like:

so. yep. bigger yet. huge even. I suppose because of a lower voltage - so they gotta push more current through each conductor.

so I guess between these two players - both known for their efficiency - it does look like Lucid with its higher voltage does have a motor with more turns. hmm. what about Volvo / Polestar I wonder?

big overhaul of its motors between 400V and 800V cars? From the evidence, it does seem likely.

 

[sp12]

yeah. but do you think the impedance remains constant within a motor of changing voltage? I began this discussion with "it's not clear to me" and I meant it. lol. but..

pretty much all EV's have an inverter that produces three phase AC power for the motor. My understanding is that it's not a simple ohm's law tradeoff for a motor - because magnetic power is the goal here.


pretty sure that if you want to keep the impedance the same, you need to bump up the windings. this is why ohm's law doesn't give a simple answer - for an electric motor anyway.

that said. I have heard that the MY26 car has lighter motors. so something has changed. but would a lighter motor have more windings - or fewer? or are they more or less the same but just made better. my guess: With an 800V battery the inverter may indeed be more efficient - and hence lighter. but I also suspect the motor itself - and it's operating voltage range - may not be substantially different than the 400V car. still. just a wild-ass-guess on my part.

it would be interesting to know for sure.

Decent technical overview of the new motors.

 

[nbvolks]

I was at the Columbus OH service center yesterday getting the wiring harness recall work done. I was talking to the Polestar sales consultant and he indicated that there won’t be a MY26 since they have so many MY25s in inventory. Instead they will jump right to MY27 and those will be out around June 2026.

Yep, can confirm that was exactly what was communicated to dealers.

 

[Haulr]

Decent technical overview of the new motors.

yes. that is interesting. apparently, the new 800V Polestar 3 is going to get the Polestar 7 motor/inverter! gonna be pretty old by then tho.. lol.

similar torque and efficiency. So I guess Volvo has already plateaued, efficiency wise, with our existing 400V system. Perhaps higher voltage means more windings, but it runs cooler.

cheaper to manufacture. lighter.

but lots more power. This might mean simply that higher RPMs are possible before it overheats (just my wag). The packaging certainly looks much different. so perhaps the cooling system is more efficient as well.

Gen 3 motor/inverter below is SPA-3 technology (EX60 / Polestar 7). But it has already been installed in the Volvo ES90. and will soon go into the Polestar 3 as well. presumably. Gen 2 is 400V system we drive today.

 

[Haulr]

Yep, can confirm that was exactly what was communicated to dealers.

damn. Polestar USA only has one car to sell. and next year - that single model will be last years car?

can they at least label it a 2026 somehow (just for the USA)? I guess they did this before, in a way, because they upgraded the MY24 P2 RWD but kept the old battery and charging system for the AWD. we got our very own version of the car - a bit shittier than everyone else's.

 

[nbvolks]

damn. Polestar USA only has one car to sell. and next year - that single model will be last years car?

can they at least label it a 2026 somehow (just for the USA)? I guess they did this before, in a way, because they upgraded the MY24 P2 RWD but kept the old battery and charging system for the AWD. we got our very own version of the car - a bit shittier than everyone else's.

US Polestar 4 deliveries will begin in November, but that will be a 2026 model. So they'll have two models available, but one will be a 2025 and the other a 2026. 🤣