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again, this is not correct.
anti-collision do not work that way.
if you have an "active driving" the car will give you authority and let you drive into a wall.
This is confusing because the rear anti collision regularly stops three car while I'm actively backing into my garage where it thinks the threshold is a curb, but actually about a 1 inch lip from driveway to garage. I assume this is because low speed backing up treated differently than moving forward?

Not using any cruise control or pilot assist when it happened.

The road is flat and level without dips when it happened.

OPD stopping sensation could be part of it... But I've had the car nearly a year now and at least 9 months when I first had this happen. I think I know the car's feel by now.
 
Well, well, well...

Before I explain what has happened to me today, first a bit of background that I think will help frame this conversation and dispel a few 'Not used to EVs' myths in this and related threads.

So, I have been driving P2 for 11 months over the last 18 month period (there was a break early last year between my company leased P2 being returned and my privately purchased P2 being delivered during which I went back to my Ioniq BEV). In total, I have driven EVs exclusively for the last 5ish years other than the week my P2 was in the shop and I got a petrol XC40 as a courtesy car, and that is the only week in the past seven months where I have not been driving my P2 hundreds of miles a week. I am very well versed in how OPD and the like work, and my settings have not changed since about the fourth day of getting a P2: OPD Standard / Creep off. I drive almost exclusively with the go pedal, and only use the brake pedal to put the car in gear or if I need more braking force than standard OPD gives (very, very rarely). I don't routinely press the brake to engage Hold, I just let OPD bring the car to a stop and generally keep the go pedal not the brake pedal covered, ready for setting back off. The only thing I have changed recently is that I now also have the auto limiter turned on as I noticed the road sign recognition seems to have improved substantially. My car is running 3.1.9 and has been since July.

Today, I have had my first experience of the phantom acceleration. I took a trip to the city which for me consists of about 40 miles on the motorway followed by 5-10 miles of stop-go city centre traffic. On the motorway I was using PA set to 70mph but the last 10 miles of that even was congested so averaging about 20 with a lot of stop and go (still with PA engaged). Conditions were cool (about 7C) and wet (persistent drizzle), so fairly typical of this time of year.

When I exited the motorway I disengaged PA by pressing the centre button on the left of the steering wheel (but as you know, once it is activated, you can't actually cancel it without the car being put into Park or reverse.- it stays 'on' but 'inactive' (grey symbols on the dash)). I was definitely not driving with ACC/PA at this point though, the car was responding entirely to my inputs on the accelerator, back to what I would call standard OPD mode with all the assist-related icons greyed out...

A few miles off the motorway and in consistent stop-start traffic doing no more than 10-20mph (and even then only for very short bursts), I came to a gentle stop from about 10 mph behind another car at some traffic lights - completely flat road, no perceivable gradient. As usual, I did not touch the brake during this procedure letting OPD bring me to a stop, but thankfully I left a good 1.5-2 car lengths to the car in front (lots of cars trying to change lanes and I like to try and be a thoughtful driver and give space for such). There were no 'brake' related lights on the dash (no (P) or (H)) as I had not touched the brake pedal.

About 10-20 seconds after coming to a stop (can't be exactly sure on this as obviously I wasn't expecting anything to happen), the car began to move forward of its own accord: I definitely did not touch any of the pedals (as it was a red light that I know takes a few minutes to cycle my right foot was flat on the floor having a rest), nor any of the steering wheel buttons. I wouldn't say it 'lurched' - it was a gentle but deliberate acceleration - I was able to react immediately and get on the brake so only covered half the distance to the car in front before regaining control, but it was very definitely not a 'normal' action from the car. I cannot count the number of times (even on this same journey) that I followed exactly the same process and had no such issues. I can also say with certainty that there were no other cars moving at the time in my vicinity that may have 'tricked' the cars sensors in some way - I was in a stationary queue.

So there you have it - I can now say with certainty that there is an actual flaw in our cars that can cause them to autonomously accelerate for no apparent reason. ACC was engaged (albeit not active at the time as described above) so I wonder if there may be some bad code in that module, although I had been stationary for longer than the 'timeout' period for ACC stop/start anyway, and the car in front had not even crept forward by a millimetre so I don't see it being a phantom ACC event. I think it is more likely an issue with the signal from the accelerator pedal. I am slightly suspicious that I have only been using the auto limiter for a few weeks and have now had this experience where I never had it before, but the logical side of my brain says how could the limiter cause this? What I can say for certain is that if the gap had been half of what I had left (which would not be unreasonable in the circumstances) I would have hit the car in front!

I had no further incidents for the remaining few miles, nor on the journey home, all driven in the same circumstances, but it is safe to say that from now on I will probably cover the brake pedal more obviously when stationary, just in case!
 
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You’ve just described what happened. We spoke to PS yesterday and will book for a data download and analysis. Both people we spoke to said it sounded like an issue and agreed that even if he had hit the accelerator, anti-collision should have prevented the car colliding with the one in front.
sorry, in point of fact they did not. You clearly stated the brake was applied. The other poster clearly stated it was not.

I’ve no opinion but it’s not the same.
 
This is confusing because the rear anti collision regularly stops three car while I'm actively backing into my garage where it thinks the threshold is a curb, but actually about a 1 inch lip from driveway to garage. I assume this is because low speed backing up treated differently than moving forward?
hold your horses, the REAR anti collision is TOTALLY another story.
the rear works with the two side traffic detection radars buried at 45° in the rear bumper (for CTA), and with the ultrasonic parking sensors (for RAB).
the CTA works below 15 kmh and the RAB below 10 (again, this is one of the software complication i'd really like to avoid: just make them work below 15 for both, no? i guess they decided those speeds on the base of collisions data...) every time the car is going backwards (even downhill).
the two systems slam the brakes if they consider the collision otherwise inavoidable (and the RAB saved my ass a pair of times... thanks shitty rear visibility.)

anyway, if you floor the accelerator while going bakcwards, the car will give you authority over RAB and CTA...


Not using any cruise control or pilot assist when it happened.

The road is flat and level without dips when it happened.

OPD stopping sensation could be part of it... But I've had the car nearly a year now and at least 9 months when I first had this happen. I think I know the car's feel by now.
ok. how long did it travel forward before you slammed the brakes?
ever happened with no one in front of you?

I have had a similar experience today.
ok.
conditions?
 
Well, well, well...

interesting read. thanks.
so, let's try to pin down common points on this.
i'd say that all those situations happened with OPD on and the car stopped behind another vehicle.
is it correct?

can we say that ACC was involved in some way as well?
either "ON" or "ARMED" but disengaged?

it would've been interesting to understand if the car was already in "stationary mode" with rear brake lights on, but as you've come to a stop with OPD they've been on for sure.
also, if it was 10-20 seconds it was stationary for sure as well.

for the understanding i've come to have about the car's systems, i have the feeling that the culprit may be more on the ACC side than OPD.
if it was a problem with accelerator sensor i may think that it would give some inconsistency in regular driving too.
and the only other system that may command an acceleration is the ACC.
and it happened to me a few times that the car come to a stop with ACC and then "creeped" a few cm toward the preceding vehicle.
i've never gave it so much importance and considered it a glitch in radar reflections which is even more likely to occur in the weather you described, but it is the only thing happened to me somehow similar to what you're describing here.

the problem is if you're totally positive that the ACC was disengaged.
then it shouldn't obviously command anything.

is it maybe possible that a SW bug prevent the ACC to correctly disengage despite the grey icon?
but then why the radar will not stop it being behind another vehicle?


it would be very interesting to try and reproduce the behaviour with OPD off, without ACC armed, and even with no preceding vehicles.

but anyway may be a good idea to start involving Polestar?
 
I have done this type of drive many times - I am 100% certain that ACC was dormant, but as I mentioned above, it does sort of bother me that once you've turned it on there's no way to completely turn it off within a driving session - it stays there inactive until you instigate a drive mode change (gear changes). However: I have also used ACC so many times, including in stop start traffic that I trust it implicitly: once it's been stationary for several seconds it's disabled - and this forward momentum happened significantly later than that cutoff.

So even if I had somehow accidentally rearmed it (I didn't), it should have simply held position until I prompted it to resume (by pressing the accelerator or hitting the resume button) - I did neither.

My suspicion is squarely on the auto limiter as this is the only setting I have changed recently: I would be intrigued to know if others who have experienced this issue also had the limiter on - for those who only hired the car they likely won't know as there is no obvious notification that it is in use...

Have passed the details to CS so will update the thread if they shed any light.
 
Just curious but does this ever happen when OPD is off and Creep is on (that’s how I have my car set)?
I guess you wouldn't know as you would have to have the brake engaged to hold the car in this circumstance otherwise it's always creeping forward anyway. I would liken my experience to an aggressive creep - it wasn't a launch, rather a steady acceleration.

My working theory is that (despite how some interpret the manual), using OPD and slowing at a steady pace bypasses the brakes altogether and is able to bring the car to a complete stop entirely via the motors, so in my situation I don't believe the brakes were engaged. Again, happy to be proven wrong on this, but the feel I get from the car is that the pads are not contacting the discs in these scenarios.
 
i can't see how the LIM would've triggered something like that.
under no circumstances it will command an acceleration.
it simply inhibits a further acceleration when a set speed or a detected speed limit signal is reached.

i would bet on the ACC, but then i can understand if it was ON and crawled forward on a faulty radar reflection.
if it was disengaged then it would need TWO subsequent fails: one to move despite being disengaged AND not recognising the obstacle in front and stopping.

the other actor always present in the play seems to be OPD, but even there i can't understand what kind of error would generate it... 🤷‍♂️
 
Former Volvo XC40 owner, now have a 2024 PS2. Since the XC40 was my first EV, I spent a lot of time on the VX40 forums. There were several threads about unintended acceleration for the XC40, some of them were written off to user error, but in several cases the owners found a way to duplicate the unintended acceleration. Some of the legitmate cases included one that was a sequence of stopping the car, getting back in without closing the door and the car would "lurch" forward, other owners were able to duplicate this; another case was of coming to a stop on uneven ground on a hill, and with the foot off of the brake and accelerator, the car would lurch forward; and at least two other owners were able to lemon law the car because Volvo acknowleged an intended acceleration issue and was unable to repair.
Are you able to find or share the links to these? I am especailly interested in cases that have been reproducible. I am not saying what you are saying isn't true, but if this really is a defect that can be duplicated as you are saying, there is no way these cars are still on the road and not immediately all recalled.

The last part around people being able to lemon law the car because Volvo acknoweledge the issue but not able to fix it should be front page headline.
 
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