[mjoelnir]

Because Europeans don’t ever have rear passengers?

No, as I wrote, because for us it's not that important to have a hefty space for the rear passengers, we prefer to have the space in the trunk. That's why wagons are still so popular here.

 

[Oenonee]

The boot space of the 4 is bigger then the 3 🤪

Also when the rear seats are down the combined cargo volume is larger.

Go figure.

 

[Oenonee]

Re the width the 4 is 3cm wider then my Audi Q4 unless the measurements don't include mirrors which would be a bit crazy 😅

 

[mjoelnir]

The boot space of the 4 is bigger then the 3 🤪

Also when the rear seats are down the combined cargo volume is larger.

Go figure.

That's probably in litres, isn't it? There are a few other things about practicability, for example the size of the trunk opening or the width of the trunk. The 4 doesn't look very practical on that regard. I mean, I can pack two mountain bikes in the trunk of my V60 (my reference is not Polestar 3!), and I can sit on the trunk floor to put shoes or diving gear on. It would be a step backward having to install a hitch-mounted bike carrier on a car since it's more practical to load bikes directly into the trunk, because the bikes can't be stolen easily and because aerodynamics is not affected (important for an EV!). SUVs on the other hand usually have a trunk floor that is too high to be able to sit on it (proove me wrong, please!)

 

[polerad]

Re the width the 4 is 3cm wider then my Audi Q4 unless the measurements don't include mirrors which would be a bit crazy 😅

Width of 2139mm includes mirrors. Not sure if 3cm is significantly more wide or not for you though!

Re cargo capacity, the P*4 is quoted as having 500L cargo capacity while the latest V60 Recharge has 471L and V90 Recharge has 488L. Assuming that all are calculated and configured similarly (big if maybe), then seems if one gets by with a V60 now, then one should be able to get by with a (rear windowless) P*4 just in terms of L ?

Re overall design, since the P*4 is a re-skinned Zeekr001 it will of course cater to Chinese tastes. How much that translates outside of China - and how well the P*4 will compete with the homegrown Zeekr in China - certainly remains to be seen. As for me, I still think the P*4 looks great and intend to turn over my leased P*2 for it, pending my own trials of luggage and car seat fitment, etc.

 

[mjoelnir]

Re overall design, since the P*4 is a re-skinned Zeekr001 it will of course cater to Chinese tastes. How much that translates outside of China - and how well the P*4 will compete with the homegrown Zeekr in China - certainly remains to be seen. As for me, I still think the P*4 looks great and intend to turn over my leased P*2 for it, pending my own trials of luggage and car seat fitment, etc.

Exactly this was a big disappointment for me. The 4 was announced by Thomas Ingenlath as the Polestar for the masses that will sell in large numbers (I guess he meant worldwide), and then we get this car that is obviously tailored to suit Chinese taste and is only launched half-heartedly. I was watching the launch of Polestar 3 live on YouTube and it really created a momentum for me, as well as desire for the Polestar brand (the Polestar 3 is too large and too expensive for me). Now, s month later, the Polestar 4 isn't even really promoted on Polestar's website (no subsite for it, no configurator) and I mainly perceive it as a reskinned Zeekr 001 (i.e. not a true Volvo product to be proud of).

 

[polerad]

Exactly this was a big disappointment for me. The 4 was announced by Thomas Ingenlath as the Polestar for the masses that will sell in large numbers (I guess he meant worldwide), and then we get this car that is obviously tailored to suit Chinese taste and is only launched half-heartedly. I was watching the launch of Polestar 3 live on YouTube and it really created a momentum for me, as well as desire for the Polestar brand (the Polestar 3 is too large and too expensive for me). Now, s month later, the Polestar 4 isn't even really promoted on Polestar's website (no subsite for it, no configurator) and I mainly perceive it as a reskinned Zeekr 001 (i.e. not a true Volvo product to be proud of).

I agree with this sentiment and I think they're shooting themselves in the foot with it.
I spoke with someone who seemed decently higher up at Polestar at our local P*3 event and really came away with the impression that they're laser focused on getting the P*3 out and its launch successful. That's great for the P*3. But it seems they're spending all their marketing bandwidth then on the P*3 with little left over for the P*4. There isn't even a 'Polestar 4' subheading in the menu of polestar.com !!

In terms of price, segment, etc the P*4 should be their real money maker, not the P*3 - the Model Y is Tesla's money maker; the Macan is Porsche's; likewise the P*4 would be Polestar's if they do it right.
But while we have a whole rollout of the P*3 here with due fanfare, a promotional tour across the US/Europe, etc we're getting relatively little in the way of marketing and info re the P*4.

I think the P*4 could sell very well in each of the intended markets if they did it right. It's the quickest Polestar to date; has more L capacity than the Polestar 3; and the MobilEye ADAS system is arguably one of it not the best out there, probably better than the SPA2 Zenseact system (at least the LIDAR-less version). There's a lot going for the P*4.
I'm certainly a fan mainly because the Zeekr001 looks to be pretty awesome. But I'm an EV geek who's watched a few too many youtube clips and google-translated nonEnglish websites. They really need to be speaking to the masses to build up hype for this car.

Instead they seem to be specifically sandbagging the P*4 presumably to not distract and siphon sales from the P*3. PR/Marketing is definitely not my thing but it seems to be a not winning strategy for either vehicle. Instead they could build hype for both and launch them together. A big lift perhaps, but am guessing there's more synergy to be had to benefit both P*3 and P*4 than to try to pick a winner between them ad hoc.

 

[Eyeballs]

Same here. I was looking for the Polestar 4 very, very much, as a replacement for my 2016 V60 Cross Country. Maybe I could finally live with having no rear window (which I find stupid), and probably I could get around the fact that it is built in China. But the real deal breaker is its size. I don't want a car that is larger (and most of all, wider than my current car. A bit longer would be okay if that means more trunk space. But the Polestar 4 seems to be a lot longer than my V60 while having a significantly smaller trunk. There's just no benefit of the added length. And I'm really using my trunk space for my sports gear, can't go smaller!

If you ask me, the whole idea of the Polestar 4 is wrong for European customers. Polestar obviously put a lot of emphasis on rear seat space, as this is a big thing in China (where almost every sedan is sold in a longer version with more rear seat space). Next they moved the roof strength structure to the back to give rear seat passengers more headroom, which is kind of okay. But they could also have moved it behind the front seats, same solution as the Tesla Model 3 has. That would have meant a glass roof split in two halves, but who cares? A full-length glass roof is only a thing for rear seat passengers, so again, that's why Polestar went this way. As they went this way, the rear window became so tiny that they decided to remove it, and also the trunk became unpractical because that strength structure is in the way. This car is just totally the opposite of what I was looking for.

P4 clearly of little benefit over the P2 if you’re a single dude (or have a second car). But if you have a family with teenagers, the P4 with rear space is a great option.

 

[nbvolks]

The boot space of the 4 is bigger then the 3 🤪

Also when the rear seats are down the combined cargo volume is larger.

Go figure.

It's because of how they're measuring.

The 2 and 3 are measured up to the bottom of the parcel cover. The 4, because it has no rear window or parcel cover, is measured all the way up to the hatch/roof, because they're using the sedan/trunk ISO metric measurement standard. It's a departure from how Volvo/Polestar have historically calculated their storage volume.

 

[nbvolks]

Instead they seem to be specifically sandbagging the P*4 presumably to not distract and siphon sales from the P*3.

I think their trying to walk the fine line of maintaining interest in an effort to juice shares, while simultaneously having to actually sell cars that are available now, or soon. The 3 will start getting delivered in the US late this year, so they need those sales to actually happen, and not acquire more deposits for a vehicle that won't even be here until 2024....maybe.

 

[polerad]

I think their trying to walk the fine line of maintaining interest in an effort to juice shares, while simultaneously having to actually sell cars that are available now, or soon. The 3 will start getting delivered in the US late this year, so they need those sales to actually happen, and not acquire more deposits for a vehicle that won't even be here until 2024....maybe.

I agree that they shouldn’t take deposits until they’re closer to deliveries. If we take the P*3 as an example, we’re not too far from the timing now. They started taking deposits for the P*3 in Fall ‘22, and first deliveries are expected by end ‘23, except for LIDARed models which are mid ‘24.

for the P*4, they claim they’ll have first deliveries in China later this year (similar to the P*3 here) and then deliveries in the rest of the world in 2024. Given its shared components and supply chain with the Zeekr001, which they’ve already delivered close to 80k of (about equal to total P*2 deliveries to date), I doubt production ramp should be too much of an issue. So then it’s an issue of getting through the logistics of delivery etc in each country which should be doable in a year ish. I expect they should be able to start delivering the P*4 in Europe, N America, Aus/NZ, etc in early/mid ‘24 if they were to devote similar resources to marketing and launch of the P*4 as they are for the P*3.

and if they don’t make that timing, for a body swapped car of one that’s being delivered ~15k/quarter already, then I have to wonder which model they’re prioritizing and why.

at the least they can add the P*4 to the main site menu!!

 

[nbvolks]

I agree that they shouldn’t take deposits until they’re closer to deliveries. If we take the P*3 as an example, we’re not too far from the timing now. They started taking deposits for the P*3 in Fall ‘22, and first deliveries are expected by end ‘23, except for LIDARed models which are mid ‘24.

for the P*4, they claim they’ll have first deliveries in China later this year (similar to the P*3 here) and then deliveries in the rest of the world in 2024. Given its shared components and supply chain with the Zeekr001, which they’ve already delivered close to 80k of (about equal to total P*2 deliveries to date), I doubt production ramp should be too much of an issue. So then it’s an issue of getting through the logistics of delivery etc in each country which should be doable in a year ish. I expect they should be able to start delivering the P*4 in Europe, N America, Aus/NZ, etc in early/mid ‘24 if they were to devote similar resources to marketing and launch of the P*4 as they are for the P*3.

and if they don’t make that timing, for a body swapped car of one that’s being delivered ~15k/quarter already, then I have to wonder which model they’re prioritizing and why.

at the least they can add the P*4 to the main site menu!!

They definitely need to have the P4 out and available in the US by Q4 of 2024. They started pushing the P2 in earnest in Q3 of 2021 in the US, and the absolute sweet spot of their pricing then was a 39 month lease. So the first big wave of Polestar 2 drivers will be coming off lease in Q4 of 2024. If the only thing available to them at that point is another P2 or the P3, they'll probably lose a sizable chunk of those folks to other brands.

 

[mjoelnir]

It's because of how they're measuring.

The 2 and 3 are measured up to the bottom of the parcel cover. The 4, because it has no rear window or parcel cover, is measured all the way up to the hatch/roof, because they're using the sedan/trunk ISO metric measurement standard. It's a departure from how Volvo/Polestar have historically calculated their storage volume.

What a scam! This Zeekstar 4 is for nothing and I'm starting to lose trust in that brand.

 

[polerad]

What a scam! This Zeekstar 4 is for nothing and I'm starting to lose trust in that brand.

Really?

A lack of interior packaging efficiency is making you lose trust in the Polestar brand?

Have you met the Polestar 2?

edit:
Car & Driver, which follows N American convention for measurements, which is usually total capacity floor to ceiling, lists the V60 cargo area behind the 2nd row as 18.3 cu ft = 518 L.

That's within 4% of the stated cargo volume of the Polestar 4 of 500L. Unclear if the Polestar 4's "500L" is using some tricks of rounding up or down. But I feel like that's within error of most any practical utility, certainly at this stage before any of us has had a chance to test it with our own luggage and/or banana boxes.

The analogous measurement for the V90 is 19.8 cu ft = 560L. More for sure than the P*4. Not hugely so (to my definition of hugely).

edit2:
Volvo US lists the V60 cargo capacity as 22.5 cu ft = 637 L which is a pretty massive diff. The total capacity with rear seats folded is 60.5 = 1713 L (vs 1536 L for Polestar 4)

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So yeah, if that's actually indicative (vs all the other potential measurements) for sure the Polestar 4 isn't that interior space efficient. Welcome to Polestar.