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12V/TCAM battery disconnect process - Ron Swanson method

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#1 · (Edited)
Update: P2.3 release notes suggested there were stability improvements relating to the physical keys:

Stability improvements for issue with unlocking the vehicle with physical key.
However it was pulled soon after release ( September 2022). The next OTA is 2.5 (scheduled for December 2022) and has the same bullet point in the release notes so hopefully this time it won’t be revoked.

Even if it isn’t though it will be difficult to confirm though considering for some cars the first time the issue happened was over a year or in some cases nearly two years after purchase, so it’s best to be prepared.



There's an excellent post on how to properly disconnect both the 12V and the 3.6V TCAM backup battery, which you will need to do under certain circumstances to resolve certain issues (eg car fails to respond to physical keys).

Here it is:


A while ago I posted that the Volvo engineer that did this for me the first time my keys stopped working didn't bother to remove any trim, and neither did I when it happened again.

Unfortunately it happened once again and this time I took photos.

First of all, let me clarify when you will need to do this.

Others have reported this process resolved lack of LTE connectivity, lack of GPS fix and inability to adjust charge rate - I don't know about those, but if you tried everything else, it might be worth trying this too and see if it helps.

What I am certain this process fixes is what happens with my car. Every few months the TCAM gets into a state where it fails to recognise the physical keys. When this happens, touching the handle for keyless entry or pressing the buttons on the keys does nothing, however Phone as Key still works. Since PAK is still a beta feature I keep mine configured but disabled, so I can use it as a backup if I eg loose my keys, or this thing happens.

If this hasn't happened to you yet, I highly recommend that you:
  • Configure PAK even if you don't intend to use it, you may leave it disabled like I do as a backup
  • Always carry the large physical key with the key blade, at least when venturing far from home
  • Carry a wrench in the frunk (#10 for my car, others in the forum reported #11 which is weird, so check)
  • Optionally, carry a jumpstarter in the frunk (eg NOCO GB20/GB40 or equivalent)

Now if your car ever fails to unlock, the first thing you need to check is if the car is actually completely dead due to a discharged 12V battery. The easiest way to do that is to have a look at the red LED in the centre of the dash to check if it's blinking.

- If it's not blinking, your 12V is most likely dead and you need to jumpstart the car, which is easy, just follow the procedure in the manual. I hope you've got a jumpstarter in your frunk!

- If it's blinking then the 12V is just fine, so either your key's battery is dead (unlikely unless you had it for several years, but worth checking if you're at home and have the other key handy), or you have this particular issue with the TCAM.

Assuming you have this issue, then:

- if you have PAK setup and disabled, you can just activate it again. You should then be able to grab the handle to unlock and drive normally, but expect an "eCall service required" pop up and GPS fix loss soon. When it's convenient to do so (eg parked safely, ideally at home) you can spend the 5-10 minutes to fix this by following this process.

- If you don't have PAK configured, but have the key blade with you, you can use the key blade to open the door and you should be able to silence the alarm and drive the car by placing the key in the transponder in the cup holder under the armrest and selecting drive or reverse while depressing the brake pedal as usual. If this doesn't work remove any additional cases/protection etc the key might have and try both sides, if it still doesn't work consider removing the cupholder insert and placing it as far back as possible (see here).

- If you don't have PAK configured and also don't have the key blade with you, then there's not much you or even roadside assistance can do until someone brings the physical key over (which is why I recommend always carrying it with you, when planning to drive far from home).

Anyway back to the process, assuming you've used PAK to unlock the car and you just want to fix the issue so your keys work again.

First you need to disconnect the 12V battery.

To prepare for this:
  • make sure the car is not plugged in
  • pop up the frunk and the rear hatch so it's open before you disconnect the battery
  • close all doors
  • wait for the car to go to sleep (the charge port LED is a useful indicator, wait until it turns off)

When you're ready, follow these steps:

Step 1: Push the centre of these two fasteners in, so you can pull them out. Try not to loose them in the bowels of the engine bay as I often do:

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Step 2: Don't bother doing the other side, and just raise the flimsy plastic up to reveal the 12V battery, or at least the half that has the negative pole, which is all you need:

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Step 3: Use your wrench to untighten the nut that secures the connector to the battery's pole until you can pull it out and leave it to the side:

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Now go and check the car is really dead, because if the DC-DC converter was active at the time (unlikely, but it happened to me once), disconnecting the 12V will do nothing other than give you a warning there's a fault with the 12V charging system. Ignore that, the fault is you just disconnected the battery, so connect it again and give it a few minutes before attempting to disconnect it again.

The simplest thing is to keep an eye on the charge port LED and wait for it to turn off, but if you have a multimeter handy you could monitor voltage and wait for it to drop from >13V to <13V.

If you've made it and the car is completely dead, it's now time to disconnect the TCAM battery.

Step 1: Go back to the boot/trunk (whatever it's called in your continent), and just grab the carpet like trim on the left hand side and pull it:
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Step 2: There's nothing to break really, it's mostly metal clips clipping on gaps on the bodywork. You'll find the battery tucked underneath the C pillar, you might attempt to disconnect it in place, but I find it easier to just unclip it and remove it to do it: Here's a photo after I unclipped it:

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Here's a photo of the battery:

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Here's one from the side to see how it clips on the car, the left hand side of the photo is towards the rear of the car, and that's the bit you need to push if you want to remove it from the car.

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If both have been disconnected for a few seconds at the same time then you're done, just reconnect both and check that your keys work again. If they do, great, put everything back the way it was and hopefully it won’t happen again for a few months!

If you are having trouble pushing the battery tab from bellow try this approach instead:

As this might happen again you might want to remount the backup battery to a more accessible location:


Update: @mxs found this video that might help:

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Discussion starter · #4 ·
Thank you for doing this! I was reluctant to try this, based on the other thorough text steps, but now I feel like it should be relatively straight forward.
It’s not hard it’s just frustrating to reach the 3.6V battery, especially the first time, as it’s in an awkward place tucked there behind the carpet.

If your car fails to respond to the keys though this five minute DIY turning it off and on again process is probably quicker than even just calling Polestar assistance to report the issue, never mind waiting for someone to arrive.
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
Thanks, looks good and pretty easy.

So from the pictures I gather the 3.6V cell is encased in plastic casing with a multi-pin connector on the outside?
Yeah it’s probably just a cheap 18650 packaged with a simple charger circuitry.

I can’t believe I forgot to take a photo of the connector! I’ll do this next time :/
 
Discussion starter · #10 · (Edited)
Do you have to do anything special to open the hatch lid while the 12V battery is disconnected? I've been assuming that having an issue with the 12V supply would mean nothing would work.
Oh that's a good point, I'll add a note that you need to open the hatch before disconnecting the 12V so it's already open. I'll update the post.

BTW this procedure is specifically for power cycling the TCAM to sort out the couple of known issues that can only be resolved by entirely disconnecting power from it.

If your 12V is dead, you just need to jump start the car. If your 12V is dead AND you had TCAM issues, you'll find out if you still have this issue after you jump start it (eg keys will not work) at which point you could follow this process, but I think in most cases if the 12V has been dead for a while the TCAM backup battery would have drained so there'd be no reason to disconnect that too.
 
Discussion starter · #12 · (Edited)
I would suggest a slight variation, but it means you need a multimeter. If the DCDC converter is active, the voltage on the main battery terminals will be greater than 12V (somewhere between 13.8 and 14.4V). So best to check / monitor this before disconnecting.
Good point - if you're at home or carry one in the car then yeah that'd guarantee you get it right first time, but to be honest in most cases closing the doors and waiting a minute does the trick. I use the charge port LED as an indication the car is asleep, it'll turn off when it does, so that's a good time to disconnect the battery.

I'll update the post again.

BTW I was thinking pulling out fuse 26 under the glovebox instead of disconnecting the 12V battery should do the trick, but frankly it's so annoyingly placed that I decided disconnecting 12V was easier.

Something I might try next time this happens, as for some it might be easier to do this and it means you don't need the wrench.
 
Discussion starter · #16 ·
There is a convenient jumping positive terminal extension that's away from the battery, and near the front of the car. You can just remove that little front quadrant cover for jumping, according to the manual. However, to install the battery monitor, the leads might not be long enough to reach from there to the negative terminal.
Any chassis bolt will do for the negative bolt, the jumpstart manual points to one about a foot away so should be doable unless the cords are very short, in which case extending them wouldn’t be a problem.
 
Discussion starter · #22 ·
Getting the 3.6v out is a real PIA - carpet and trim pulled out but not understanding how the clip for the battery works
It's incredibly frustrating.

There are two tabs, on the side of the connector, one within the connector (to disengage that) and one behind it that clips the battery to the chassis. I find it's easier to pop up the battery and then disconnect it.

I'm not sure if anyone has a better photo of the connector somewhere, but if you could take one after you managed to disconnect it that'd be helpful to others!

This is a good idea to make it easier next time:

 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
Haha ya - clearly not designed to be easily removed, hopefully holds it firmly in place!
In your preferred method, how do I pop up the battery? Fingers/hands the right tools or ?
See this photo, it's taken from the side after I removed it, that's the tab in the left that's holding, it just behind the connector:

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So to use your photo, just use a small flat head screwdriver or similar object, insert it where the red line is and push the tab to the side and it'll pop out.

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Discussion starter · #26 ·
this is where I currently am at - sitting in the trunk of the car not sure of what to press/pull/wiggle.
Red line is where the tab for the connector is, if you just want to disconnect it use that, yellow line is where the tab for the battery is, use that to take it off and then disconnect it and place it somewhere less annoying like the other poster suggested, hope that helps!

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Discussion starter · #28 ·
Super appreciate the quick replies.
Just to double check,

for the yellow line I would be pushing that tab towards the cables?
And the red -> not sure how to get something in there the way it is mounted, but if I could find a very very small flathead: insert right at the red mark & push to the left of the photo?
Yeah, it's very hard to do the connector tab as it's placed, I generally don't bother, which is why I suggested you remove it, then it'll be much easier to pull the connector's tab (but not SO easy, the cable is short)

Here it is from the side again, insert a flat screwdriver or similar (yellow line) and apply some torque (green) so the tab moves.

So pull towards the back, the tab will move towards the front and it'll pop down on that side, then just rotate a bit and pull out the other side.

Worst that can happen is you break some of the plastic tabs, but if I were you I wouldn't be clipping it back again anyway!

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Discussion starter · #32 ·
The fact that this works as well as it does, you'd think PS would create a soft switch in one of the menus that severs and then reconnects the power. Clearly the current TCAM reset is not valuable.
It looks like merely rebooting it (which is what the reset does) isn't sufficient, it needs to be power cycled, or in fact it might not be an issue with the TCAM but something else powered from it.

Either way I think it's unlikely that would be possible without additional hardware, so we're stuck pulling the fuses and disconnecting the backup battery.
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
Would it make sense to install a switch between the TCAM battery and module? If this issue is as persistent as it seems to be, it would save a lot of time in the future....would need to know the connector types though in order to build one.
Mine's a lease so can't really do it, unless I can find compatible connectors. I think this is a great idea:


I'm sure I'll wish I'd thought of that next time I have to do it, and I'll certainly be doing it.
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
The Volvo Assistance engineer did it in seconds, I saw him pull the carpet trim, his hand went in with a screw driver and emerged with said screwdriver and a battery.

The first time I tried to do it it was incredibly frustrating for me - that Volvo Assistance engineer clearly had a lot of practice, so he made it look easy.

Anyway, much easier the 2nd time, and over in ~5 minutes. I sincerely hope you don't get to practice much though!
 
Discussion starter · #40 ·
I wonder, whether we could have a contest up here, for the TCAM reset participants ... at least to make a fun out of a nuisance .... 😂 .... post your attempt # and a time (video is a bonus). Not sure, what would be the appropriate winner prize though?
Definitely need to organise a contest at an owner's meetup - first one to remove the battery wins. Bonus points for not getting their hands full of scratches.
 
Discussion starter · #67 ·
Yep. I've taken mine to the service center each time. I'm never rude, but this needs to be a nuisance and cost for Volvo/Polestar, just as it is for me. I'm getting to know the people there a bit. They're nice folks, who are trying hard with the limited help given them by Polestar.
It must be costing them a pretty penny there with reports in the forums of cars towed across state lines for this issue, so I hope they notice soon.

Not such a big deal in the UK because they'll send someone within the hour, and in most cases on weekdays they'll be from Volvo Assistance so they'd know how to do the TCAM power cycle in 5" while blindfolded.

Third party responders probably have seen the issue in XC40/XC60s but they wouldn't know where to look for the battery on a Polestar 2, although presumably with the number of times this happened around the 2.2 upgrade many had the opportunity to find out and practice :/
 
Discussion starter · #74 ·
Maybe this has been covered before, but is there any downside to doing the full TCAM disconnect/reset when a person first gets their PS2? Mine isn’t due to arrive for a couple months, but being 400 miles away from the nearest location makes me wonder if I should just do the reset as soon as I get the car. Thoughts? Downsides to doing this?
I can’t see how this would help. IF it gets into that state power cycling fixes it, but I had to do mine a few times now (every few months) so it won’t prevent the issue.

In the grand scheme of things it’s probably rare and I’m unlucky and many here never had issues for nearly two years, so don’t stress much about it.

Just carry your large key whenever venturing far from home and setup PAK. If you think you might prefer to fix it yourself rather than waiting if it happens to you, drop a screwdriver and a wrench in the trunk just in case and enjoy the car, it’s awesome.
 
Discussion starter · #79 ·
This is what everyone needs to know. If Polestar stands behind you like this for a breakdown, that's what they promised on day 1. In the past they have trailered a P2 to you and basically trade cars with you. Early on our friend from Denver had his car trailered all the way to SF and they left him with a loaner P2.
It is unlikely they’ll be able to offer that level of service when disruptive failures like that are clustered around releases.

There was an apparent surge of such issues at least in the U.K. slightly ahead, during, and after the 2.2 release. That’s on top of a hopefully low baseline of unlucky drivers like me that has such issues for over a year. In the U.K. they dispatch Volvo Assistance engineers though that usually arrive within an hour and can sort this out in minutes, so flatbeds with loaners to swap out cars is reserved for the most serious issues that can’t be fixed within the hour.

I’m surprised they still don’t do this in the US.
 
Discussion starter · #87 ·
There was discussion in another related thread about pulling fuses (was it #26 & #27), would this be an alternative for disconnecting the 12V battery? Would make the process faster...
I assume the BUB is not going through a fuse so it needs to be disconected manyally anyway?
In theory it should work as the rest of the car doesn’t need a power cycle but to be honest for me it’s far easier to disconnect the 12V than getting to the fuses under the carpet! Next time it happens I’ll try that. I’m also definitely leaving the battery more accessible and wish I thought of it last time!
 
Discussion starter · #88 ·
Sorry you had this twice, but glad you found the instructions helpful.

When it failed this second time, I tried to book an appointment and the earliest one available was four weeks away with no guaranteed loaner vehicle.
In the U.K. I can spend a few minutes on the phone and Polestar will send someone to do this for me within an hour and it’s still not worth it as actually doing it is quicker than the phone call. With a four week wait it’s a no brainier!

perhaps more importantly, alleviates the stress of worrying if this happens again.
This is the biggest benefit for me, and that’s the reason for the Ron Swanson reference.

Not being able to access the car was a major blow in the confidence I had for it but with this workaround it’s just a mere inconvenience and I’m not reliant on anyone to remain mobile should it happen again.