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I recently saw the Hyundai Ioniq 5 has a similar issue. If what this YouTuber says is accurate, it sounds like Polestar where the owners are frustrated it's not recognized by Hyundai, no TSB out to dealers, no communication to recognize the issue.

EDIT: the Ioniq 5 looks insanely easy to jump the 12V. See around 5:05 in the video where he pops his hood, pulls a plastic panel from his frunk and is done.


 
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EDIT: the Ioniq 5 looks insanely easy to jump the 12V. See around 5:05 in the video where he pops his hood, pulls a plastic panel from his frunk and is done.
Jump starting the Polestar 2 is pretty mich the same, the only difference is you can’t just pull out the small plastic panel on top of the jump starter terminals you have to take a couple of those plastic reusable rivers out first, but a pointy stick could do that.

I only had to jump start my car once a year ago, it would have been marginally easier if that panel was marked with a battery symbol or something and you could just pull it out.
 
found this one on reddit, I think I saw something here about doing fuses rather than 12V and backup battery
I don't understand what it means for several hours, when you need the car now ... đź‘€
I hope I won't need it myself...
 
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Probably that works, however the time required to wait can be longish (as the back-up battery needs to drain completely). I tried around 30 minutes before my patience ran out, that was not enough :p
Yeah, it will probably take several hours for the backup battery to drain, and then you'd get an eCall SOS error until it's recharged which might be days, you might as well reach for the backup battery and leave it in a more convenient location afterwards.

Also, for me at least, removing and putting back the fuses is way to fiddly - I'd rather just disconnect the 12V battery briefly.
 
Had to reset this a second time a couple weeks ago (six months, 7k miles in, on first 2.3 software). First off, many thanks again for your excellent write up @kkonstan ! Since it was the second time around, and since pulling the backup battery is not my fav way to spend an evening, I left it more accessible by Velcro-ing to the backside of the plastic tray-holder trim. Here’s a shot looking up at it:

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The battery wires run through a little zip tie loop attached to the car body, and I cut the zip tie with an xacto knife to get enough length to pull the battery out this far. The string is threaded through the wires so it can’t fall back down behind the trim when disconnected from the battery.

Hopefully there won’t be a next time, but if there is it should be less fiddly.
 
Had my first experience with the TCAM today, and while it was an inconvenience, I have to say that this forum had me prepared and helped me through it. Thanks everyone for being such a helpful community!
 
Update: P2.3 release notes suggests there were stability improvements relating to the physical keys, so hopefully nobody will need this guide after this is released later in September 2022:



It will be difficult to confirm though considering for some cars the first time the issue happened was over a year or in some cases nearly two years after purchase, so it’s best to be prepared.



There's an excellent post on how to properly disconnect both the 12V and the 3.6V TCAM backup battery, which you will need to do under certain circumstances to resolve certain issues (eg car fails to respond to physical keys).

Here it is:


A while ago I posted that the Volvo engineer that did this for me the first time my keys stopped working didn't bother to remove any trim, and neither did I when it happened again.

Unfortunately it happened once again and this time I took photos.

First of all, let me clarify when you will need to do this.

Others have reported this process resolved lack of LTE connectivity, lack of GPS fix and inability to adjust charge rate - I don't know about those, but if you tried everything else, it might be worth trying this too and see if it helps.

What I am certain this process fixes is what happens with my car. Every few months the TCAM gets into a state where it fails to recognise the physical keys. When this happens, touching the handle for keyless entry or pressing the buttons on the keys does nothing, however Phone as Key still works. Since PAK is still a beta feature I keep mine configured but disabled, so I can use it as a backup if I eg loose my keys, or this thing happens.

If this hasn't happened to you yet, I highly recommend that you:
  • Configure PAK even if you don't intend to use it, you may leave it disabled like I do as a backup
  • Always carry the large physical key with the key blade, at least when venturing far from home
  • Carry a wrench in the frunk (#10 for my car, others in the forum reported #11 which is weird, so check)
  • Optionally, carry a jumpstarter in the frunk (eg NOCO GB20/GB40 or equivalent)

Now if your car ever fails to unlock, the first thing you need to check is if the car is actually completely dead due to a discharged 12V battery. The easiest way to do that is to have a look at the red LED in the centre of the dash to check if it's blinking.

- If it's not blinking, your 12V is most likely dead and you need to jumpstart the car, which is easy, just follow the procedure in the manual. I hope you've got a jumpstarter in your frunk!

- If it's blinking then the 12V is just fine, so either your key's battery is dead (unlikely unless you had it for several years, but worth checking if you're at home and have the other key handy), or you have this particular issue with the TCAM.

Assuming you have this issue, then:

- if you have PAK setup and disabled, you can just activate it again. You should then be able to grab the handle to unlock and drive normally, but expect an "eCall service required" pop up and GPS fix loss soon. When it's convenient to do so (eg parked safely, ideally at home) you can spend the 5-10 minutes to fix this by following this process.

- If you don't have PAK configured, but have the key blade with you, you can use the key blade to open the door and you should be able to silence the alarm and drive the car by placing the key in the transponder in the cup holder under the armrest and selecting drive or reverse while depressing the brake pedal as usual. If this doesn't work remove any additional cases/protection etc the key might have and try both sides, if it still doesn't work consider removing the cupholder insert and placing it as far back as possible (see here).

- If you don't have PAK configured and also don't have the key blade with you, then there's not much you or even roadside assistance can do until someone brings the physical key over (which is why I recommend always carrying it with you, when planning to drive far from home).

Anyway back to the process, assuming you've used PAK to unlock the car and you just want to fix the issue so your keys work again.

First you need to disconnect the 12V battery.

To prepare for this:
  • make sure the car is not plugged in
  • pop up the frunk and the rear hatch so it's open before you disconnect the battery
  • close all doors
  • wait for the car to go to sleep (the charge port LED is a useful indicator, wait until it turns off)

When you're ready, follow these steps:

Step 1: Push the centre of these two fasteners in, so you can pull them out. Try not to loose them in the bowels of the engine bay as I often do:

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Step 2: Don't bother doing the other side, and just raise the flimsy plastic up to reveal the 12V battery, or at least the half that has the negative pole, which is all you need:

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Step 3: Use your wrench to untighten the nut that secures the connector to the battery's pole until you can pull it out and leave it to the side:

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Now go and check the car is really dead, because if the DC-DC converter was active at the time (unlikely, but it happened to me once), disconnecting the 12V will do nothing other than give you a warning there's a fault with the 12V charging system. Ignore that, the fault is you just disconnected the battery, so connect it again and give it a few minutes before attempting to disconnect it again.

The simplest thing is to keep an eye on the charge port LED and wait for it to turn off, but if you have a multimeter handy you could monitor voltage and wait for it to drop from >13V to <13V.

If you've made it and the car is completely dead, it's now time to disconnect the TCAM battery.

Step 1: Go back to the boot/trunk (whatever it's called in your continent), and just grab the carpet like trim on the left hand side and pull it:
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Step 2: There's nothing to break really, it's mostly metal clips clipping on gaps on the bodywork. You'll find the battery tucked underneath the C pillar, you might attempt to disconnect it in place, but I find it easier to just unclip it and remove it to do it: Here's a photo after I unclipped it:

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Here's a photo of the battery:

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Here's one from the side to see how it clips on the car, the left hand side of the photo is towards the rear of the car, and that's the bit you need to push if you want to remove it from the car.

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If both have been disconnected for a few seconds at the same time then you're done, just reconnect both and check that your keys work again. If they do, great, put everything back the way it was and hopefully it won’t happen again for a few months!

If you are having trouble pushing the battery tab from bellow try this approach instead:

As this might happen again you might want to remount the backup battery to a more accessible location:


Update: @mxs found this video that might help:

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I’ve only had my car a month and had my first TCAM issue today. Lack of GPS fix and mobile connectivity. I called polestar and they said it was a TCAM issue and I was able to reset the TCAM by holding the front window demister button for about 50 seconds. This resolved the issue straight away. Not sure if this is a new feature to reset the TCAM or will work for other issues, but certainly worth a try. I’m assuming my car is a 2023 model, but it has software 2.3 currently.
 
I’ve only had my car a month and had my first TCAM issue today. Lack of GPS fix and mobile connectivity. I called polestar and they said it was a TCAM issue and I was able to reset the TCAM by holding the front window demister button for about 50 seconds. This resolved the issue straight away. Not sure if this is a new feature to reset the TCAM or will work for other issues, but certainly worth a try. I’m assuming my car is a 2023 model, but it has software 2.3 currently.
This was the original TCAM hardware reset procedure, but it hasn't worked consistently for a long time. Glad to hear it's working for you.
 
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I’ve only had my car a month and had my first TCAM issue today. Lack of GPS fix and mobile connectivity. I called polestar and they said it was a TCAM issue and I was able to reset the TCAM by holding the front window demister button for about 50 seconds. This resolved the issue straight away. Not sure if this is a new feature to reset the TCAM or will work for other issues, but certainly worth a try. I’m assuming my car is a 2023 model, but it has software 2.3 currently.
Yeah I should have updated the post, 2.3 did not fix this and was in fact revoked within days. 2.5 is the next OTA that allegedly improves (note: not fixes!) the stability of the remotes, but despite booking my car at a Volvo dealer the day after it was released they could not install anything more recent than 2.2 on mine :(

The demister restart was usually sufficient for GPS/LTE issues but I haven’t had those for nearly a year and a half now.

I’m not aware of anything other than a power cycle (disconnecting both power sources to the TCAM) for the keys not working issue though.
 
Not sure if this is the best place to post.
But am trying to diagnose my current TCAM bug as it's a bit different than my other times.
This is in the (older) Midnight car; the Magnesium is seemingly fine for now. Started acting up 2 days ago.

Right now, I have the empty triangle + X icon.
The GPS arrow is on and the car thinks it has a GPS signal - but Maps displays the icon as ~1/2 mi away from my actual position, but it does seem to track my relative change in direction/position.
My app seems to connect to the car fine, including tracking its position accurately in terms of listing where the car is parked despite the Maps display bug.
My Connect and SOS lights are on and hitting Connect appropriately calls CS.
Trying to connect to Google Assistant or other forms of internet connectivity don't work.

So the TCAM has some functionality. The car's software just doesn't seem to know it.

Any thoughts from the forum on the source of the issue?
Would the hardware power interrupt (12V + BUB disconnect) do the deed or is there some other software reset I could try other than head unit restart +/- front defroster holding?
 
Not sure if this is the best place to post.
But am trying to diagnose my current TCAM bug as it's a bit different than my other times.
This is in the (older) Midnight car; the Magnesium is seemingly fine for now. Started acting up 2 days ago.

Right now, I have the empty triangle + X icon.
The GPS arrow is on and the car thinks it has a GPS signal - but Maps displays the icon as ~1/2 mi away from my actual position, but it does seem to track my relative change in direction/position.
My app seems to connect to the car fine, including tracking its position accurately in terms of listing where the car is parked despite the Maps display bug.
My Connect and SOS lights are on and hitting Connect appropriately calls CS.
Trying to connect to Google Assistant or other forms of internet connectivity don't work.

So the TCAM has some functionality. The car's software just doesn't seem to know it.

Any thoughts from the forum on the source of the issue?
Would the hardware power interrupt (12V + BUB disconnect) do the deed or is there some other software reset I could try other than head unit restart +/- front defroster holding?
That sounds like my TCAM failure #3. The GPS will go out completely either in a couple days if you leave it be or right away if you reset the infotainment. The 12V/3.5V disconnect fixed it for me.

Edit: I am remembering it wrong, sorry. On mine, the GPS went out first, LTE after the infotainment reset. I need to keep a TCAM failure log!
 
That sounds like my TCAM failure #3. The GPS will go out completely either in a couple days if you leave it be or right away if you reset the infotainment. The 12V/3.5V disconnect fixed it for me.
I've reset the infotainment a few times now and the GPS status is stable. I have had the slow decay of first LTE/WiFi out then GPS bugs then GPS out. This pattern seems a bit different.
Will keep an eye on it!
 
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I've reset the infotainment a few times now and the GPS status is stable. I have had the slow decay of first LTE/WiFi out then GPS bugs then GPS out. This pattern seems a bit different.
Will keep an eye on it!
yeah so the car fixed itself.

per my wife who saw it, it put up a dialog of something like “connecting to polestar service; press OK” and then the next boot up the LTE, etc was back.

are they, um, getting better at this??
 
yeah so the car fixed itself.

per my wife who saw it, it put up a dialog of something like “connecting to polestar service; press OK” and then the next boot up the LTE, etc was back.

are they, um, getting better at this??
That IS a new one. The good news, I suppose, is that your car may be the first to get a response from Polestar service that actually resolved something!
 
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yeah so the car fixed itself.

per my wife who saw it, it put up a dialog of something like “connecting to polestar service; press OK” and then the next boot up the LTE, etc was back.

are they, um, getting better at this??
They might be. I had the SOS blinking red for a couple of months with no other symptoms, infotainment resets wouldn’t do anything and I couldn’t be bothered to disconnect batteries for it, and at one point I reached out to customer services and they just suggested that I book it in to Volvo to have it looked at. Interestingly the next day the issue was gone and it’s been fine since. Coincidence, or did someone do something remotely?
 
So a day and a half into ownership, got into it this morning and sure enough.... No LTE/internet. Tried infotainment reset, no joy. Contacted CS who told me to do a TCAM reset - 45-60 seconds on the defrost button - this worked as described, flashing red SOS symbol in the roof and then everything fired up again and LTE/internet is working again now. Hopefully not a sign of things to come! On 2.5 BTW. 10 mil spanner and screwdriver in the frunk ready and waiting!
 
yeah so the car fixed itself.

per my wife who saw it, it put up a dialog of something like “connecting to polestar service; press OK” and then the next boot up the LTE, etc was back.

are they, um, getting better at this??
I thought this was always a possibility from the beginning. The car needs to sleep/reset for all kinds of things.
 
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